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regalringneck Jun 14, 2005 10:18 PM

I was incredibly lucky...positioned w/ camera already in hand...photo-documenting some obscure riparian flora I hadnt seen before...when I spied the deadliest of the desert herps...a vestige from 250 million years ago when the land masses were one....& elapids roamed much of it...
Out from a flood debris pile it came...the second one surface active in daylight I've seen in some 25 years of poking about...

Moving in for the macro...risking its loss under the algae & into some hole...

Always a treat....

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antelope Jun 14, 2005 11:24 PM

Very nice!
Todd

Fred Albury Jun 15, 2005 10:25 AM

Wow, how lucky can one guy be...Great snake and awesome pic. thanks for sharing!

Sincerely,

Fred Albury

BPO Jun 15, 2005 03:31 PM

Like the photos a lot.

B

HerperHelmz Jun 16, 2005 09:25 AM

Very awesome, hope you hung onto it.

I've found something interesting... well to me atleast. I'm pretty sure that regalis are prey of the AZ corals, atleast on occasion. Seems the regals, err, my regal, is afraid of any snake w/ the black/red/yellow banding, such as the f/t scarlet kingsnake I offered it last night. She steered clear of it, and hung out at the opposite end of the enclosure all night. Pity.

Mike
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Rich G.cascabel Jun 16, 2005 11:33 AM

the defensive tactics (bite) from most of the Diadophis forms have been well known for bringing death to the predating snake. I had a friend bring me back a dozen prairie ringnecks from a Kansas trip. My corals wouldn't touch 'em! Had to give 'em all away to neighborhood kids.

HerperHelmz Jun 16, 2005 04:28 PM

Yeah I have heard of many accounts of ringnecks killing a snake that was eating them. Alot of that comes from coral snake keepers.

Like when a ringneck snake is being swallowed backwards and it bites onto the glottis of the predator snake.

Or when a ringneck snake is swallowed, and then regurgitated less than an hour later and the predator snake dies.

Or my favorite lol, when a kingsnake is placed in a container with a ringneck snake, and the owner leaves, only to return and find a fat ringneck!

Mike
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regalringneck Jun 16, 2005 08:08 PM

....I will get the time to chime in...but it aint now...Ive gotta coupla data points in this regard....standby...
Nice to see folks connecting the dots...perhaps thinking in terms of webs rather than chains...communities/assemblages....
Gotta love the ?'s..

RXR

Terry Cox Jun 16, 2005 06:10 PM

>>the defensive tactics (bite) from most of the Diadophis forms have been well known for bringing death to the predating snake. I had a friend bring me back a dozen prairie ringnecks from a Kansas trip. My corals wouldn't touch 'em! Had to give 'em all away to neighborhood kids.

The Eastern milksnake doesn't seem to like the Northern ringneck, even though this ringneck isn't venomous I don't think. Maybe there's some other reasons too, that kings don't eat ringnecks. Ringnecks can produce some type of glandular mucous from their mouths that may be very distasteful, not to mention they can produce musk and copious amts of feces. Our milks like smooth greens, browns, and redbellies, but they don't like other snakes much. Kings are supposed to be immune to snake venoms, too, or is that just rattlesnake venom?

Just some thoughts. Didn't mean to disturb ya', haha...TC.

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HerperHelmz Jun 16, 2005 11:44 PM

The Eastern milksnake doesn't seem to like the Northern ringneck, even though this ringneck isn't venomous I don't think.

Yeah that's a pretty true statement there. I have done countless feeding studies w/ northerns, only to find out that their venom is extremely weak to anything other than salamanders. It has no effect on snakes until the 10 minute mark is passed(neonate snakes), no effect whatsoever on worms, weak on frogs, but w/ salamanders the venom works after a few minutes.

Maybe there's some other reasons too, that kings don't eat ringnecks. Ringnecks can produce some type of glandular mucous from their mouths that may be very distasteful, not to mention they can produce musk and copious amts of feces.

It seems to be more of a habitat/location thing. Eastern Kings in NC and the surrounding states will gladly prey on ringnecks. In Texas, speckled kings won't touch certain sub-species of ringnecks, mainly arnyi. W/ the musk and feces, some keepers after losing a few corals thought the feces were the cause of the corals reguritation and immediate death. So, before feeding, they would irritate the ringnecks for a few minutes to the point they were satisfied the ringnecks were "musked out". From what I hear it worked sometimes, but sometimes the corals still died. I'm pretty sure the kings eating ringnecks, ringnecks eating kings, has to do with the sub-species of each respective species.

Kings are supposed to be immune to snake venoms, too, or is that just rattlesnake venom?

From what we can gather up, ringneck snake venom does work on kingsnakes, we are just not sure how though... paralysis, death, etc. But the venom of ringnecks does affect kings, we are hoping to do a couple studies later on this summer to find out more.

Mike
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Terry Cox Jun 17, 2005 05:35 AM

Thanks for the great info. Gotta run..I have a field trip this morning.

Terry

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Rich G.cascabel Jun 16, 2005 11:37 AM

Senor Pistola! I never suspected them to be semi-aquatic!

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