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How is it you all know what the sex is of the animals? Even hatchlings? I thought you had to wait so long befor their things showed? How do you sex leaf-tails?

you can sex lineatus and henkeli by their colors before they mature

and ebebaui, phantasticus, and malama by tails and sometimes color

What do you mean by colors and sizes? I'm confused lol

Sorry I ment to say tails not size.

He means by tail shape and also by the size of the animal. A good chunk of the Uroplatus genus can be sexed just by pattern.

In lineatus, males have a single white stripe on their back while females have two white stripes. In this photo of Leah's website, the male is on the right.

http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/cpg132/displayimage.php?album=47&pos=21

With fimbriatus, hatchlings in particular, females have mottled patterns like that of a mottled Gargoyle (auriculatus) gecko. Males have "" shapes in their pattern. (this tip comes from the riverbanks zoo in South Carolina from a uroplatus breeder)

In phantasticus, you can usually tell by the shape of the tail. Males tend to have a longer tail and notches of skin missing around the border of it. however some males do not have notches in their tail but just a long tail in comparison to a females smooth tail. Also, males tend to have more pattern in their coloration while females usually mimic leaves more.

In ebanaui, females usually have smooth short arrow-shaped tails while males again have long notched-tails. But this is not always the case as I have some breeding females that have notched tails as well. Also, males tend to have a barkish appearance while females tend to have a leaf appearance in their patterns. All of my males spend their time on the bark bark backing in their cages while females are always in the greenery.

But in Malama, which is not kept in captivity, (and I'd like proof if someone is going to contest this) there is no real way to differeniate males from females because too little information is available on the species.

In henkeli, I am not familiar with sexing this species as I do not keep that. I personally keep ebanaui, phantasticus, sikorae, lineatus, fimbriatus and pietshmanni.

in Pietschmanni, I am not aware of general sexing for this species by color or pattern. I hvae had mine too little a time period to know.

Cheers
Jason

Male satanics (at least all of mine) also have white marks above and below the eyes where females do not. Here's a picture of one of my male swhen he first arrived. And a picture of one of my females' tails.

in ebanaui, both males and females have eye spots.

I've got a black male ebanaui that has greenish "snowflake" patterning all over his back with white spots, he's probably the most beautiful ebanaui I've seen because of those markings. The white underneath the eye just makes his pattern stand out even more.

I seriously need to get a camera.

Jason

yea, jason and i talked this over a while ago between ourselves and came to the conclusion that the teardrops arent always necessarily an indicator of sex. im pretty sure i've got males without them, and females with them. over time, ive come up with several factors to use to make an educated guess about the sex of satanics before maturity.

-patterning (males tend to be more blotched w/ wilder patterns, females more solid)

-teardrops (as mentioned above)

-tails (females almost always smooth, but some males with smooth tails too)

-"spines" at base of tail (recently brought up to me, seems like a valid point, when youve got an animal with a smooth tail, females tend not to have the tiny spines right there at the base of the tail)

i feel like theres more to go by, but im forgetting it at the moment.

Thanks alot this helps out quite a bit. Anyone else know any other ways?

I agree with the tail spines at the base of the tail as well on phantasticus, from most pictures I see clearly the males have the spines whereas the females have a smooth transition into the tail. But I'm sure we could be proved wrong, just like any other method, there will always be one or two that don't follow the "code". Just like a human lady was thought to be a lady till she was in her teens lol, but that is a different story. A tip for sexing sikorae, which I got from Neil Meister when picking up my pair is that females tend to have more blotchy patterns whereas the males have more of a linear pattern. I haven't seen too many sikoraes but my pair definately jusitfy this. Anyone else see this sexing pattern in their sikoraes? This is a good thread. In the Henkeli, I don't know if it was mentioned, but the males tend to have a pale color with dark brown or black patches all over themselves, whereas the females tend to have more numerous finer spots. This was read from the Uroplatus book, I don't own henkeli so if someone who owns them wants to shoot me down, shoot down the book, not me. That's all that I can add.

Mike

some indicators are mentioned in a couple threads down...
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Ben