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New to Chams, few questions. Help me decide

Ultramouse Jul 14, 2003 05:49 AM

Morning Guys and Galls,

Ive been a long time keeper of snakes and im just about to cut my first batch of Honduran Eggs. The thing is i now have an incuabtor and some fairly good expirience of reptiles, and i was hoping to branch across into Chameleons. But first i have a couple of questions.

1) Personality:

Im looking for a chameleon with the best personality upmost. Id like one that would be very happy to sit on my shoulder climb up my arm all that sort of stuff. My hondo's are pretty fiesty, so im not too bothered from a personal point of view. But seen as im breeding them id prefer to have lizards with a bit of life to them.

2) Size:

not too concerned about the size of the enclosures, dont really fancy anything too huge. But ultimately its only going to effect how many i can keep. I was initially wanting to keep a breeding pair, so if there are any chameleons that could be housed together as a pair for life it would be cool.

3) Colours:

I prefer the colours of the panthers to say the normal looking green ones, but then again the jacksons look really cool.#

3) Maintenance:

Im not to concerned with taking on a chameleon that requires a misting system. I allready have RO/DI for my Discus, so id be more than happy to extend the use of an allready owned piece of equipment. And feeding wise, ill give em whatever they want, no hangups there.

So what do you all suggest. Jacksons, Panther, Veiled?

Which would be the more profitable to breed?

Which would be the easyest to look after?

Which would you reccomend and why?

Thans in advance for all your responses, im still trying to get a feel for all of this so any suggestions for reading matereal would be great.

Replies (9)

snakeman5124 Jul 14, 2003 10:20 AM

well i would go with a veiled because that is my first cham and she's doing fine and they can ahndle temp extremes and rookie mistakes. they don't get very great colors though until they are pretty well grown. panthers would be more colorfull though. panthers would also be better for breeding i think because they are generally more expensive so you could sell them for more $. thats my opinion. JK

alanvines Jul 14, 2003 12:12 PM

I would suggest Jackson's. You can get beautifully coloured yellow and blue or aqua males as well as red females and sometimes red males. I have found them to be much hardier as to temp and humidity than most will tell you. Also, best of all, they have live babies. They are very docile chameleons and seem to stress out a little less than other kinds. This is just my experience. Alan.

gabrielmtl Jul 14, 2003 12:37 PM

np
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jdany Jul 14, 2003 12:50 PM

Live Born as opposed to egg layers.

gabrielmtl Jul 14, 2003 01:10 PM

Woaw. I had no idea that was possible. Is it knowed why Jackons do it this way and not other chams? (that i know off)
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Jason82 Jul 14, 2003 05:22 PM

Actually, giving birth to live young isn't that rare in chameleons. Along with every species in the genus Bradypodion, Chamaeleo Bitaeniatus, C. Ellioti, C. Fuelleborni, C. Goetzei, C. Hoehnelli, C. Jacksonii, C. Rudis, C. Tempeli, C. Werneri, and probably some others also give birth to live young. They all produce eggs, but the eggs have no shell and are incubated inside the mother until the babies are fully developed. Species of animals that give birth this way are known as ovoviviparous.

gabrielmtl Jul 15, 2003 08:10 AM

np
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Gabriel - Montreal - Ding.
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jdany Jul 14, 2003 12:30 PM

Original Message:
1) Personality:

Im looking for a chameleon with the best personality upmost. Id like one that would be very happy to sit on my shoulder climb up my arm all that sort of stuff. My hondo's are pretty fiesty, so im not too bothered from a personal point of view. But seen as im breeding them id prefer to have lizards with a bit of life to them.

Response: Personality is not very species-specific. You will get to know their personalities very quickly. (Thank god they have their way of talking)
In my opinion, chameleons aren't shoulder dwellers. I would rather suggest putting a nice tall ficus tree in the room that you are working in and let the chameleon hang out with you in the comfortable branches of the tree.
Chameleons are FULL of life.. you will not be a disappointed spectator.

Original Message:
2) Size:

not too concerned about the size of the enclosures, dont really fancy anything too huge. But ultimately its only going to effect how many i can keep. I was initially wanting to keep a breeding pair, so if there are any chameleons that could be housed together as a pair for life it would be cool.

Response: From the insanely small, to the very large. Chameleons species come in all sizes.

Original Message:
3) Colours:

I prefer the colours of the panthers to say the normal looking green ones, but then again the jacksons look really cool.#

Response:
There are a ton of chameleon pages out there with great pictures. Panthers carpets and veilds offer some great colors. Take a look around and you'll find something that you like.
www.calumma.com has a cool gallery.

Original Message:
3) Maintenance:

Im not to concerned with taking on a chameleon that requires a misting system. I allready have RO/DI for my Discus, so id be more than happy to extend the use of an allready owned piece of equipment. And feeding wise, ill give em whatever they want, no hangups there.

Response: Misting systems are awesome. They play an importand role in watering, humidity and hygeine for the chams. They can create a mess and make any enclosure a breeding ground for bacteria. You will find yourself cleaning cages several times per week when you have a misting system. But, it is well worth it.

Original Message:
So what do you all suggest. Jacksons, Panther, Veiled?

Response: There are coined "starter" chameleons that will help you get used to the "type" of chameleon you are interested in. Usually these startes are hardy, and can endure a few flubs and are relatively inexpensive. Chameleons are from all over the place and live in different places. So, they all require certain climate setups. As an example, I started with Jacksons.. After I was successful with them, I got into quads.. My next adventure will be panthers, but since I have only worked with montane - cool weather chameleons, I decided to get a few veileds to get aquainted with the warmer weather chameleons.

Original Message:
Which would be the more profitable to breed?

Response: There are a ton of factors that play in profitability. The most important is how successful you are at keeping and breeding the species. The more exotic of species, the bigger the pricetag of the offspring. Also, is demand. The prettier chameleons are easiest to sell. Thats primarily why panthers are such a great breeder.

Original Message:
Which would be the easyest to look after?

Response: In my opinion, there is no chameleon that easy to look after. They all require a considerable amount of time to keep. As stated, the starter chameleons can tolerate the learning curve more then other species.

Original Message:
Which would you reccomend and why?

Response: I would recommend veileds as a starter for the warmer climate and jacksons for the cooler climate.
Mostly because they are readily available, relatively inexpensive and can tolerate flubs. Make sure to study the species chameleon you choose. There are a ton of great articles on the internet that will assist.

anson Jul 14, 2003 05:45 PM

is something you should do for the love of it. Try keeping a male cham first and see what you think about it before shelling out bucks to start breeding.
First of all chams are difficult by their very nature and take tons of time to take care of. Even easy species can be problematic.
No chams can be housed together and be bred. They are solitary animals and stress easily. They hate the company of their own kind and are brought together only to breed and are separated again (usually only hours after breeding).
The only chams that can be housed together are the leaf chams and they are even harder to take care of and keep healthy.
Female chams need an intense diet of gutloaded crickets/insects to be able to produce healthy eggs and offspring. Their gutload needs to have the right proportions of nutrients for proper fetal development and to prevent eggbinding (quite common)
Proper hydration of chams is time consuming and difficult due to their skittish nature. Sometimes they just do not like how you set their water up for them and they won't drink it properly. It's a trial and error kind of thing and you have to be very observant and in tune with them to figure out what they want.
Sometimes they can be finicky eaters and they like variety in their diet. They can be quite expensive to feed. They usually end up liking the most expensive thing you feed them.
If you want a reptile that is profitable to breed, chams are not what you are looking for. You should only consider breeding them because you just love them and are facinated by the process.
I am not trying to be a downer, I am just letting you know what you are getting into.
Sincerely, Sonia

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