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I mean you see some ball going for $25,000 it kind of makes you think.

people are too stupid to poy the proper price for a good corn?.

and people are so stupid they pay over $1000 for any ball at all?...

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so.how many corns do you want to buy.people in here will sell you thousands of them all total.you can make a little profit from them all and make a fortune?.......

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I got about 30 to start you off........and I'll sell you balls cheap too?.........

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I guess some are. But you have made some statements in your response that are not exactly brilliant. I must assume that you are trying to make a point by...um..."stretching" the truth a bit.

If people will pay $1000 for "any" ball...This will be new and very exciting news to all the ball breeders out there.

Too stupid to "poy" the right price for a corn? Buddy, if I can get a cornsnake that I like for $15...You better bet I will. As a matter of fact, I have never paid MORE than $15 for a corn. And in MY book, that makes me pretty smart. Lucky for me that I really like the normal, natural corns. My snow and my reverse okeetee were only $10 each since I got them from a friend of mine who breeds them and he sold them to me at the cost that he sells to other dealers (after I insisted on paying something for them, as he was going to GIVE them to me!).

Fact is: The other posters did "hit the nail on the head" in their answers...Corns are EASY to breed, and people have been breeding them for a LONG time. There's TONS of nice ones out there at VERY reasonable prices. Sorry...If you want to make a bunch of money breeding you are going to need to start out with some high-end breeding stock. Duffy

Just my opinion... It partially has to do with clutch sizes. Ball pythons lay far fewer eggs, resulting in far fewer of a particular morph. I agree with you though, some of the prices on the balls are absolutely ridiculous. When a snake or two adds up to the price of a home there's really something wrong. As for low prices on corns, I'm all for it... that way I can afford whichever I like. Many of the bp's I would love to own, but would never dish out that kind of money for.
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0.0.1 "Aru" Green tree python
0.0.1 "Wamena" Green tree python
1.0 Albino ball python
0.1 100% het Albino ball python
0.1 Normal ball python
1.0 Albino cornsnake
0.0.1 Snow cornsnake
0.0.1 Albino Striped California King

In plain terms it comes down to ‘Supply & Demand’. There was a day when a normal albino corn could bring over $100.00 because there was not that many, actually not that long ago. But soon everyone had them and the price dropped because the market was flooded. You can pick-up a normal albino for about $25 today at a show or about the same price as a normal corn. I can remember ‘Candy Canes’ going for over $300.00 each. Back in the early/mid 90’s there were folks like me and my wife that thought we could make a living breeding herps. There were just too many of us trying to do it. We soon learned that you could not afford to feed snakes and make a profit off the young. The only folks that could do this were the ones that had the best genetics and bloodlines, ‘Brand name’ herps. It was hard to go to a show and see the guy next to you selling the same thing for $5 or $10 less than you and he would sell out and you would take home what you brought. Sure we had good quality animals, but most folks shop on price first. We did develop a few loyal customers but not enough. Needless to say we got out of the business due to financial troubles. In the past few months we have started to build a collection again, but this time we are doing it for the joy of doing it. We plan to breed corns and sell at shows, but only as a hobby.
Just think of the latest morph of a reptile as a ‘Beanie Baby’ back in the day. Some folks will pay anything to have things. If there is a buyer there is a seller.

99% of it is really supply and demand. However, there are reasons for the amount supplied vs the demand for it. Some snakes, such as north american rats (which is what a corn is), are very easy to breed, don't have many requirements, and feed easily upon hatching.

I've seen heard of green tree pythons selling for over $40,000. This one happened to be a 100% yellow specimin, not a green scale on it. Yellow adults are much more rare, therefore much more expensive. However, a bottom line quality CB GTP runs you about $400. Rason being is that they are more challanging to keep, thus a higher overhead. Then these lil suckers rarely eat a f/t pink out of the egg... lots of tricks and LOTS OF TIME has to be put into these.

But as long as people pay a certain price, thats what it'll be.
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Chondros and colubrids... my 2 favorite types of snakes!

"Life is hard. Life is harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

It does depend on the "new morphs" and supply and demand (which pretty much go hand in hand) Take the striped butter......500-800. More than I will ever pay, give it 5 years and they will be about 100 or less!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"

I love these types of posts LOL

I personally believe ball pythons are the corn snakes of the python world and these two snakes are very similar. (Both are usually topping out at 4-5 feet, both very calm handable snakes and both have TONS of diffrent colors) I believe one day albino balls will be like today's albino corns. Corns were the snakes to have 7-10 years ago as I do remember buying a albino corn back then for $110 (yeah I know its a lot) but it was from a good line and was awsome. I also agree forking over $60,000 is CRAZY for a snake I mean on Bob Clarks website those "Fire Balls" look very similar to a normal ball and they are priced like I said for $60,000 so if you wanted a breeding pair you would be forkin over $100,000 (males are $20,000 less than females if I read correctly) that is like working for a year or two (depending on your job) for 2 snakes and that is like without eating and living on the streets. I don't know how anyone in their right mind would do that. (1 year living on a luxery cruise travling the world or 2 little snakes that look pretty) this is a tough one.

In the end it is all about supply and demand which is why corns are priced fairly low (I still spend $150 for a baby corn sometimes) I also spend some big bucks on designer crested geckos but thats a diffrent topic.

Just my .02
and yes I would pick the cruise

Derek
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Derek Dunlop
DDReptiles
http://www.freewebs.com/ddreptiles/index.htm

I completely agree with you on the subject of "fire balls" I've seen them and they could pass for normal. NO WAY would I ever pay that much for one. However, I can understand why some people would charge like 20k for a snake. This is because of a few reasons : 1) the availability of breeders to make the babies 2) the difficulty level of creating the morph 3) the difficulty encountered when finding animals with the right genes to produce a certain trait. Sometimes, because a lot of certain traits are recessive, it is very difficult to find parents to make the offspring. Even then, most people can only afford the time and money to make heterozygous offspring of a certain trait, and wait to breed those. This long complicated process is what causes designer snakes to be so expensive. And, while I believe whole heartedly that many of the prices are ridiculously beyond any cost it could have taken to produce them, I can see why many people would put their prices so high. Its sort of like diamonds and coal. Both are composed of exactly the same thing, they're just different colors and one is rarer and takes more time to make than the other . thats why people pay more to get the same thing. hope that helps a little.