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These are Anery corns, what do you think?
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Becky

Interesting. Anerys lack any red pigment, so they're clearly not "just" Anerys. What were the parents? Must be something else in the mix there. Go on - don't keep us guessing!

Really, the parents are Anerys with the same type of red pigment mixed threw out the body. I didn't start the project, just purchased these guys a couple of months ago. I have been watching the begining of this project for the last year. Saw the parents as young adults and watched them grow and produce these little guys.

Do you happen to know the origin of the parents as they're the same in appearance?

Heaven knows I'm no morph whizz, but the definition of an Anery is that it lacks red pigment - it's An-Erythristic. So these guys surely can't be Anerys?

Or can they?? Help - can anyone explain! (Preferably in really simple one-syllable words, for my benefit....)

I've seen the parents of the corns that I have and they do have the same red on the body. I don't know the origin of the adults. I purchased the "Amazon Corns" from Amazon Reptiles. I will get all the details from Mike or Scott on Monday. Or if they happen to see this post they may post an explination of the genetic background.
Becky

They look like normals to me. Lots of grey in addition to the classic normal coloring.

I'm a bear of very little brain when it comes to morphs - I'll be interested to hear Amazon's feedback.

Whatever they are, they're nice looking beasties.

As far as I know, Anerythristic means lacking red pigment. Clearly these have red pigment and therefore are not anery. Perpaps they are het or something tho. Kathy?

Carole
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The story goes as follows:

We bought this adult pair of cornsnakes. The dude we bought them from said "They make wierd anery babies". So we conditioned them and bred them. Indeed, we got odd babies. They were anery looking except they have a pinkish tinge to them. Grow them up and you get a snake that is extra-ordinarily different than an true anery.

An adult male sibling of Beckies animals is almost as orange as a normal... sorta. The female sibling adults have yet another look. More photos of these later.

The mother is normal (sorta). She does display odd grey patches were they should be orange. If it were a ball python, they'd call if paradox. LOL You can see these patches of color well in the large image file.

FWIW: For those that say it cannot be anery if it is pink, I'd like to point out that a bubblegum snow is also an anery (and amel) but does display pink color.

Here are pics of the parents:

DAD

Dad pic big file size 470K

MOM

Mom pic big file size 412K
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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Well, the male appears to be a snow---with some strange colors, and the female looks to be a normal (okeetee/lookatee).

Have you tested that female out to see if she's compatible with a regular anery? I think that's where you need to start next year.

Also, if you have an adult 'amazon anery', you should test that with an anery a to see what comes out. If you get anerys, then clearly this is not a new anery. If you get normals---that means one of two things. Either you've got a new gene, or your anery is just a normal. You should also test it against charcoal as well.

The real proof will come when two offspring from the original pair are mated together. Do you get all 'anery' looking babies with some snows, or do you get normals?

Have you tested that female out to see if she's compatible with a regular anery? I think that's where you need to start next year.

No we'll just keep producing pretty Amazon Corns.

Also, if you have an adult 'amazon anery',

We are not claiming they are Anery's. We call them Amazon Corns as we are the first to produce them and they are distinct.

you should test that with an anery a to see what comes out. If you get anerys, then clearly this is not a new anery.

We don't care if it is a new anery.

The real proof will come when two offspring from the original pair are mated together. Do you get all 'anery' looking babies with some snows, or do you get normals?

The real, real proof is in the animals themselves. Look at the images below of the actual Amazon Corns (not the parents) and please see they are distinctive.

Please note we do not have a $3000 price tag on them. In fact, I don't even have them for sale on the internet.

Here is the remaining pair we still own from the 2004 breeding. Sold the rest locally.

The males are always brighter (sex linked?) Here is a zigzag male

Here is the normal patterned female. Notice she has less color then her brother? They were the same when hatched.

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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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Sorry, but I just don't see anything unusual or distinct about them. They look like regular aztec/zigzag corns.

Sorry, but I just don't see anything unusual or distinct about them. They look like regular aztec/zigzag corns.

You only looked at the male juvie. Had you looked at the adult siblings and the juvie female pic you'd see they are not regular corns.

Pics of the adult sibs

The fact they are born anery with a faint pink hue is unusual. Unfortunately, I don't have a pic of a fresh hatchling to back it up.

The adult coloration is indeed unusual. I hope you will use the link above to see.
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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Of what's wrong with a lot of the new "morphs" introduced into the corn world each year.

The people producing them have no idea what they are, and what's more...they don't care.

They just have corns that look "distinct," so they're going to name them something cool and sell them as the new great thing in the corn world. Out to make a quick buck? You be the judge.

Look, if you don't prove it out as a separate genetic-based morph...don't try to sell it as such. It takes a lot of work to prove that you have uncovered something new, and those people who do not understand what it takes (or do who understand and are merely trying to cut corners) are part of the reason so many new and inexperienced corn buyers are disappointed with their purchases.

If you have something new...cool! But have the integrity to PROVE it BEFORE you make the claims. If it's truly distinct, you'll have the time to prove it out before the market even knows about your new gene. If not...what's all the fuss about in the first place?

This may not be a mere marketing ploy, but if it walks like a duck...
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

They just have corns that look "distinct," so they're going to name them something cool and sell them as the new great thing in the corn world. Out to make a quick buck? You be the judge.

I don't even have them up for sale. LOL. No way to make any quick bucks at that rate! Has anyone claimed they were "the new great thing in the corn world"? I have not. You were the first to put that idea out there.

Unique? Yes. The new great thing? I never said that and have not heard others say it.

Look, if you don't prove it out as a separate genetic-based morph...don't try to sell it as such.

As I said earlier, I am not trying to sell it. In fact, whatever gave you the idea I was selling it as such? Nor am I saying it is anything but a beautiful and reproducable type of cornsnake. Reproducable sound genetic to me but others are welcome to think otherwise.

It takes a lot of work to prove that you have uncovered something new, and those people who do not understand what it takes (or do who understand and are merely trying to cut corners) are part of the reason so many new and inexperienced corn buyers are disappointed with their purchases.

It is not a single snake that has yet to reproduce. It is a form that reproduces in consecutive years from the founder parents. In other species this is proof enough. Has anyone looked at the ball python marketplace? Back in the 70's the first albino corns were proven this way. At the time of this writing the population of this type is too small to do the suggested outbreeding trials and even if I did someone would question something. Only about ten or twelve exist, total. Only two are adults. Perhaps they'll reproduce next summer. More will be known then. I'll be glad to share my results here if/when I have them.

The cornsnake world seems to have a skeptical nature. I accept that. I certainly am no adversary. Just treated like one.

FWIW, I was not aware new cornsnake buyers were often unhappy. That does not happen amongst my customers. We retail hundreds of cornsnakes every year.

If you have something new...cool! But have the integrity to PROVE it BEFORE you make the claims.

I did, we have made enough babies to know it is a reproducable trait. Unfortunately, we lost six of them last summer to an accident. The trait is one which we have not seen others like it. Have you? If so please show everyone I have something others already produce. Adversarial posts add nothing to the conversation. I have been totally transparent.

If it's truly distinct, you'll have the time to prove it out before the market even knows about your new gene. If not...what's all the fuss about in the first place?

I cannot tell what the fuss is either. I am just answering questions about some unique animals produced in our store. The reason for the questions would be the source of the fuss. I certainly don't care if any one person likes them or not. Like I said I am not even trying to sell them at this time. Look at my website or the corn classifieds here at kingsnake.com. You won't see an ad for them at all.

This may not be a mere marketing ploy, but if it walks like a duck...

From where I sit one must be trying to sell something to have a marketing campaign. I am not. I am simply answering questions. No marketing campaign. No sales offers at this time.

Take a look at my images. If you don't like what you see that is fine. I do. They are very pretty and very unusual. A few customers agree with me, others don't. You are welcome to think otherwise. That is life.

It easy to pick apart anyone elses efforts. Even good ones. But it accomplishes nothing.
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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that if it's good enough for the ball python market, it ought to be good enough for the corn world????

You did not expressly say so, and that is why I am asking you straight up about your intention.

But IF you are suggesting that the variety of new "morphs" found in the world of the BPs ought to be the standard of proven genetics in corns...well, then that speaks volumes to those of us who know all about the complete mess the BP hucksters have made of things over there.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Adult Male Amazon Corn

Male sib big file size 731K

Adult Female Amazon Corn

Female sib pic big file size 695K
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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I MUST say that when these Amazon Corns are born they sincerely look anery with a tinge of pink. But look what ya get!
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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So, what would you call that? Hypoerythristic?

>>So, what would you call that? Hypoerythristic?
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I call it an Amazon Corn. Does not need another name at all. The fact of the matter is it is unlike any other corn we have seen and is also quite beautiful as well.

The "adult" Amazon Corns did not reproduce this season. Perhaps next season.

For now it is simply babies from the founders.

Have a great day!
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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I'm not asking what trade name you're trying to give it to drum up business for your store, I'm asking what is the scientific name of the trait. It stands to reason that if hypomelanistic is the term for producing less melanin than normal, then it seems like it should be hypoerythristic.

I'm asking what is the scientific name of the trait.

There are more than one trait in these animals.

It stands to reason that if hypomelanistic is the term for producing less melanin than normal, then it seems like it should be hypoerythristic.

What scientific name would you apply to bubblegum corns? This may help you in your quest.

We'll stick with Amazon Corn.

Thanks!
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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You're purposely missing the point. Forget it. Way to "grow the brand." Score one for Los Angeles Community College's school of business and marketing.

Can we get a belly shot of both parents, along with some close up head shots of the "Amazon" corns?

Thanks.

Can we get a belly shot of both parents, along with some close up head shots of the "Amazon" corns?
Thanks.

Mom's Belly Dad's belly is also a normal snow belly with yellow checkerboard. No pic yet.
shot of mom

Clear head shot of the adult amazon corns

I know you are trying to discern if they are "pure cornsnake" or not. To the very best of our knowledge they are. But you need to see that for yourself.
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All I wanted to do was show one of "my" NEW corns, my new addition to my family.... I didn't mean to get everyone so hot and bothered. I wasn't stating that this was a new morph, nor did Scott sell it to me as such. I Just wanted to show everyone what I thought was a very interesting corn. I am sorry for stirring up such a mess.
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Becky