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In all seriousness, could htis work?

Tenor Goddess Jul 14, 2003 10:28 AM

Just a refresher on my previous idea..it's kinda long but bare with me.

I'm getting a partially patternless granite burmese python male. Ok so here's what I wanted to discuss. In knowing there is now breeding of retics x burms here's my idea of question:

We know they can successfully reproduce. We have super retics x retics to make smaller retics and then they are taking those smaller "dwarf-like" retics and breeding the designer morphs to make smaller ones of those. So with that, we also would like to see dwarf burmese. This would be my goal and a great reason to breed them for me since I want to help cut down the population (don't we all?) of huge snakes being sold when we can produce the same snakes at a smaller size where more people are likely to keep them. This in effect, works out for both the breeder and the public - more money on the animals being bred for the breeder, a smaller and more manageable package for the customer to keep as a pet rather than a gigantic snake.

Since the super retics ARE an actual retic, the only reason we don't have dwarf burms are that we haven't found any small burms (super burms).

So we are crossing them with retics...if I cross mine with a super retic and a subspecies (jampea) I can see the outcome in babies from both clutches to see who looks more like a burm and genetically creat hybrids that at least look like baby burms...does that make sense?
So I'd have a clutch of partially patternless granite burm x jampea dwarf retic AND a clutch from that same burm x super retic to see what the babies end up looking like. If we could at least make hybrids (since there are NO smaller burms like the super retics), then we could make designer burms smaller so they'd be as close as possible to a super burm.

What do you think?
In playing with this notion, I have even thought about, what about integrading that into a dark purple albino phase retic (bred to the super retics to get the super retic of that color phase) and breed THAT to my burm so we get babies that are carriers for dark purple albino granites? I'm still new to genetics so I forget what a granite and albino would produce as far as hets, or a percentage of albino granites.
So the goal would be to make hybrids that mostly look like burms into designer morphs. Even with the albino lavendar phase bred to a jampea)...what about those as a dark purple albino super jampea's even to breed the male granite? I'm trying to see how to size them down AND make designer morphs like smaller dark purple albino granite burms?

Please do let me know as I am very serious about this. I'd like the input here to see if it could potentially be a fun project.

Amanda Rose
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Replies (3)

diabloreptiles Jul 14, 2003 11:58 AM

Sometimes in hybridization you get offspring which grow faster get bigger and eat more known as hybrid vigor but if youve got the time and patients to let all the offspring grow to adult and see if any are actually smaller than both parents as adults than I say Go for it if its possible make it so!!!

Jeremiah
Diablo Snake Farm

Tenor Goddess Jul 14, 2003 12:46 PM

I'll definitely do this if it looks like it is possible.
I bet either way I'd get some smoking babies...mostly I want to size down the burms but that's not possible unless we hybridize. :/

Still, maybe I'd make some intelligent (retic), docile (burm) and amazingly beautiful, smaller snakes (both).

Amanda
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Amanda Rose
Amanda's Menagerie
Bringing Animals, People and Education Together Under One Roof.
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mrci Jul 14, 2003 08:48 PM

Good luck, though you'll probably need it. Far and away most burm x retic breedings are infertile. It's not easy. And from what I understand, the offspring are usually infertile with each other, and have to be bred back to either a burm or a retic, making a 75/25.

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