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How much would you (or should I) pay for a poss het albino female that is over 1100 grams?
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~~~ Krystal - Future breeder of Pythons, Geckos, we'll see what else later! Specalizing in Ball Pythons and Leopard Geckos ~~~ www.geocities.com/krystal19_85 ~~~

hum?
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

np
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~~~ Krystal - Future breeder of Pythons, Geckos, we'll see what else later! Specalizing in Ball Pythons and Leopard Geckos ~~~ www.geocities.com/krystal19_85 ~~~

150-200. If it a 2000 or more animal.
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

I have a choice of 00' or 99' but the 00' is over 100 grams bigger. I was thinking of spending $250 shipped, but he said he is asking $600! I tought it was a BIT high, the reason for this post.
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~~~ Krystal - Future breeder of Pythons, Geckos, we'll see what else later! Specalizing in Ball Pythons and Leopard Geckos ~~~ www.geocities.com/krystal19_85 ~~~

it's real. Year 2000 at 1100 give or take might be a problem feeder. Prob. will not be proved out being so small. It's your call, its your risk. But the price is right. Most guys ask $1000 (bigger breeders) or so for that size. Ask what it eats, might be a mouse eater. Hope it helps.

$600 is a good price for a problem feeding 1100grm animal that MAY carry the albino gene?

Thats nuts. Last fall I got an adult 50%er for $275, and she weighed over 2100grms when she arrived.

Absolutley so sorry, I did not realize until I posted the message that it was a 66%'er. I thought it was a 100%het.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Dave

I was wondering LOL. I just don't thin I am goign to pay that much for most likely a normal, even though a normal female woulden't hurt me any!! But I would much rather pay the price for a normla instead of paying for 4 normal adult females and have what is probably a 15% chance knowing how people are.
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~~~ Krystal - Future breeder of Pythons, Geckos, we'll see what else later! Specalizing in Ball Pythons and Leopard Geckos ~~~ www.geocities.com/krystal19_85 ~~~

I would personally be suspicious of a breeding size/age possible het that has not been proven out already. I would think that, if I had kept a possible het for three years, I would have tried to breed it out so that I could sell it for more if proven. If I were laying odds, I'd pay 3:1 that the animal is a NORMAL that this guy is trying to recoup his "possible-het" losses from. That's just my opinion. But I would personally only buy a possible het that is sub-adult.

How is he supposed to prove out a 1100gram animal?
It seems he is smart to be waiting because of the ill affects breeding an animal that small may have on the girl.

I'm sorry, I must have misread the post. I thought she said it was 2100 grams. Maybe that was someone else's post? Maybe I'm an idiot?

Sorry about the good price post.

I agree realvenum. If she is a het her brothers should be more then proved out by now and the chances are good that if its 3yrs old if she has sisters that some of them should have proved out. If that person is a responsible, respectable breeder, they would have accurate records to represent it. More fuel to the arguement posted in a different thread by Kassandra and myself.

Dave

A 66% het is from breeding a het to a het. So he could have proved out some of the brothers. Maybe proved out a sister. Can't really reliably say you have proved a snake out from one clutch especially a clutch under 8 eggs. Doesn't matter if the others prove out, just if this one proves out. At 1100 grams can't prove it out. Heck this thing could be the one possible het from the whole clutch the rest could have been albinos. Just my two cents, but from your posts don't think you fully understand possible hets.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
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I just bought a 66% female that weighed 972g and a strong eater and a 100% male 400g that is a picky eater for 400.00. I think for 650.00 you could get more for your money. Clay

all I want is an adult poss het. albino female. I have too many males as it is.
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~~~ Krystal - Future breeder of Pythons, Geckos, we'll see what else later! Specalizing in Ball Pythons and Leopard Geckos ~~~ www.geocities.com/krystal19_85 ~~~

Oh no Derek, I understand these the principles of heterozygous breeding fully (in layman's terms). Punnet squares is a simple possible permutation calculation (very simple). What I am saying is that, does this breeder not recieve word back from his customers? Or if he kept them could varify that some memeber of the clutch had the albino gene. Just ask the breeder (I'm sure he'll come back with the yup, yup answer or whatever they think you want to hear... just kidding, no one would every purposely misrepresent an animal would they?)

Don't get me wrong, there are thousands of crooks out there. But a 66% possible het is still a 66% possible het until that specific animal is breed to a 100% het or homozygous animal. So at 1100 grams it is too early to tell if a female is a definite het or not, she is too light. And even if she is breed once you can't say for sure. Probably need two clutches to be pretty positive.

66% possible het is from breeding a het to a het

het to a het produces

25% homozygous displaying the gene you want (1 of 4)
50% heterzygous (2 of 4)
25% normal (1 of 4)

all numbers are on average

so each normal (3 out of every 4 animals from a het to het breeding on average) has a 66% chance, indepently of the other snakes, of being heterozygous.

This means that until this snake is breed by a het or homozygous it CAN NOT be proven to be an actual het. You do not know what the rest of the animals are. It could be that the clutch from the het to het breeding poduced 5 eggs, 4 of which were albino and this one normal. Or could have produced one albino and 4 normals of which each has a 66% chance of being a het and that won't be proven until breeding.

Therefor if this snake is still a virgin, which I take it is being as how it is a 1100 gram snake it must be sold as a possible het even if all of its normals siblings have been shown to be actual hets. The story is different if this was the result of breeding possible hets instead of definate hets. If it was from possible then the thing should be said to be normal, but being posted as a 66% snake it is from a het to a het and therefor can not be proven one way or the other even with all info about siblings if it is a het or not.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
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