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This guys was offering to sell me a bunch of garter babies he had. I asked to know which type they were and he didn't know so he sent me these pics. I'm assumign their either a Mountian Garter Snake Thmnophis Elegans Elegans, or a Northern Ribbon Snake. They don't look so much like a ribbon snake to me though, especially they texture of the scales. They have a more soft look to them as garters have from ribbons. And their heads look more like garters. Please post your opinions, I wish to know before buying

This only posts 1 pic at once so ill ad extra posts with extra pics

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Scalation can be key to garter ID. Is there any chance of getting clear images of the internasals, labials and chin shields?

Where did the snakes originate from?

-Alice

My friend can't get me cleaerer pics. They a friend of mines, and they originate from the sacramento area. Which gives me reason to think they're mountain garters, T. Elegans Elegans