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for charliesmama...moving your thread up...

lele Jun 23, 2005 08:10 PM

I am so sorry I did not get back to you sooner - sort of hoped some one else would have in the meantime. I have been swamped with work and have caterpillars hatching like crazy (not feeders). So, here is my reply. For anyone who is interested in the original thread it is linked below.

Cage type: It is a 20 gallon (tall) glass tank with a screen lid

***You need to get him into an all screen cage – soon. As I mentioned in previous post you may as well go for the big one now, as he will eventually need it. If you live anywhere near Augusta Maine there is a guy selling a really nice home made one on eBay. You can get brand new ones from many places online for between $90-$110 dollars. Maybe find a used one less expensive in KS forum classifieds.

Temperatures: I don't know. I think that even though the guy i got him from is good with reptiles, that he gave me some bad adive All I know is that at night the room is around 74 degrees and Charlie sleeps happily (light light green) in the same spot every night. His heat and UV light are not on at night.

***You MUST get either a temp gun (they are great and run about $25 for basic model) or at the very least a digital that hangs in the cage - home depot around $17 also includes humidity and a max/min readout so you can see what his high and low day/night temps are. His basking site should be around 90 and 75-85 gradients throughout the rest of cage. He needs a 10-degree drop at night (down to 65-70)

Lighting: It is a slimline reptile fixture. That's what is says. However the guy I got him from showed me the readings from all the lights and this one was the best. The lights are on for 12 hours and off for 12 hours. They sit on top of his tank.

***Well, since this guy gave you other bad info I would not trust his opinion on lights either. UVB emitting light is what you need. Reptisun 5.0 by ZooMed is the most widely used for fluorescent. I would order it online not in a pet store as they charge about 4x the amount you need to pay! Also, keep in mind that these need to be replaced about every 6 months as the UVB diminishes over time. Get one that goes across the entire width of the cage, all fluorescent tube (UVB or plain) emit much less on the ends (e.g. a 4’ tube is really only covering the center 3’ of strong light.

Humidity: I don't know again. I live in Canada?? lolz

***Again – you NEED to know these things. A cham can get dehydrated – especially in dry air during winter months. I live in NH so have the same cold, dry winters of Canada. It is difficult to maintain in winter so you are best to begin regulating and monitoring it now.

Water: Yes I see him drink all of the time and his urates are always pure white. I drip using a cup with a hole poked in the bottom of it, It's going on and off all day. I refill it about every 1 or 2 hours and in between that I mist him and he licks it off his lips.

***So long as he is drinking that is good. Come winter you may need to shower him occasionally due to dry air (above). From the pic you posted he looks well hydrated.

Food: Yes I see him eat everyday. He eats crickets from the same place that I got my Cham. They are gutloaded before he eats them. They eat carrots, lettuce and cricket pellets and also have cricket water in with them.

***Your gutload could use some improvement. Go to www.adcham.com and look at their gutload recipe. You can either make it or at least give you guidance in what to feed your crickets. If you are buying them regularly (like once a week) they do not really have enough time to get rid of any parasites (sometimes happens when they are bred in large amounts) and to get their nutrition up

Supplements: I dust the crickets with vitamin C everyday. I don't remember the brand. Everyone I talked to recommended this brand though.

***Vitamin C???? I hope you mean Calcium with D3. The sun is what promotes the natural development of Vit D3 which in turn is needed for calcium to metabolize properly. Since Canadian and other northern chams get little, if any, sun the need for the UVB light and d3 need to be given artificially. Rep-Cal Calcium/D3 and their multi vitamin Herptivite are highly recommended.

Plants & branches: I have a fake plant, and a piece of driftwood I call pride rock and a vine stretching from one to the other. I usually see him but he can hide from view.

***Keep in mind that these are arboreal and really need some height. Most of us set up our cages so that the cham can be above our head if s/he wants (and they usually do stay there) as they feel more secure.

Chameleon facts: My chameleon is about 3/4 months old. He was captive bred he is a vieled. I got him from a reptile store that gets them from a breeder.

Handling: Yes I handle my chameleon. To clean the tank and to take him outside. He usually turns a bright green with I hold him and likes to climb onto my shoulder and sleep. He is in my room which is very quiet except for the crickets chirping. If I turn music on I keep it quiet. He cannot see any other pets except when I take him out and he is quite taken with my little dog. He loves to climb onto her head and sleep. She lets him.

***A cham sleeping any time other than nighttime is not a good sign; don’t mistake it for being comfortable. Think of it this way…in nature, if a cham sleeps during the day it will be someone’s meal. They have no external ears (internal only so have limited hearing) and take in the majority of their environment via their eyes.

Veterinarians: As far as I know. He told me he knows them.

***Have you had a routine fecal done? Not a bad idea about 2x/year to check for parasites.

lele
original posts

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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha

Replies (5)

Carlton Jun 24, 2005 02:11 PM

Check the original thread...I posted a reply there today.

CharliesMama Jun 25, 2005 05:45 PM

I went in and talked to my chameleon guy last night. He was quite mad at me. haha. He said that he has been raising Chams for 40 years now and has never even had so much as a sick cham. He knows what he is doing.

However I have read all of your posts and thank you for the help. I got him a new happy place to live. It's nice and tall with lost of foliage to climb in. He has been brown for a couple days and when I set the tank up last night and put him into it he turned a very vivid neon green and has stayed light green since. He is happily exploring right now actually. I am watching him as I type.
Lele, yes I meant calcium with vit D. I don't know what I was thinking putting vit C, maybe because I was drinking OJ. I don't know. haha.
He is having a great time chasing his crickets around as I dump them into his tree and he eats them all up happily. The new home is just the right size for him and I was told it will last him his lifetime.
Also I should have said resting instead of sleeping. He never closes his eyes except when all his lights are off. He is just sitting still in other instaces, and his eyes are always moving.

NOTE - It was a very rouch night for me and Charlie last night. I was sitting with him outside and most likely because of his lack of space inside he took off into a HUGE bush we have. It took me, my parents and my neighbor to find him. It took an hour and boy was he angry when we got him out. I have been watching him closely since then. he has eaten, drank and pooped so hopefully he is ok.

gomezvi Jun 27, 2005 04:49 PM

>>I went in and talked to my chameleon guy last night. He was quite mad at me. haha. He said that he has been raising Chams for 40 years now and has never even had so much as a sick cham. He knows what he is doing.
Raising Chameleons for 40 years?????!!!!!!!!
WHAT???!!!
I didn't think chameleons were being RAISED by ANYONE for more than the past 10-15 years.
NEVER A SICK CHAM?????
BS BS BS!!
ANYONE who has been raising ANYTHING for any length of time has had sickness visit them. You live, you breath, you get sick from time to time. It's a fact of life!
Sounds like you need to run away from this guy FAST!!!
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Victor Gomez
gomezvi@yahoo.com

lele Jun 27, 2005 07:43 PM

yeah, this guy sounds like he is full of it. My step-brother was in the exotic pet trade business longer than 10 or 15 years ago but chams were new to the market then and they were all wild caught. I agree, forget ANYTHING he has told you and listen to us - lol!! well, at least listen to some of us, read some sites and CURRENT books and then make informed decisions. Frankly, this forum is one of the best resources you will find.

lele
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha

lele Jun 27, 2005 07:55 PM

>>>I went in and talked to my chameleon guy last night. He was quite mad at me. haha. He said that he has been raising Chams for 40 years now and has never even had so much as a sick cham. He knows what he is doing.

I have my doubts about that. I don't they have been coming into the states for that long! That would have been 1965??? I think not. I would not really trust this guy - jsut my opinion.

>>>...when I set the tank up last night ...

is it another tank - as in glass - or a cage (screen?)

>>>Lele, yes I meant calcium with vit D. I don't know what I was thinking putting vit C, maybe because I was drinking OJ. I don't know. haha.

I hear ya! I was a bartender (in a previous life) and whoever I was talking to always got the change in my hand - whether it was theirs or not! It was before multi-tasking was cool and had rules! lol!

>>He is having a great time chasing his crickets around as I dump them into his tree and he eats them all up happily. The new home is just the right size for him and I was told it will last him his lifetime.

>>>Also I should have said resting instead of sleeping.

OK. you had me worried there!

>>>NOTE - It was a very rouch night for me and Charlie last night. I was sitting with him outside and most likely because of his lack of space inside he took off into a HUGE bush we have. It took me, my parents and my neighbor to find him. It took an hour and boy was he angry when we got him out. I have been watching him closely since then. he has eaten, drank and pooped so hopefully he is ok.

You can always count on that eat/drink/poop combo to know your cham is OK! lol! On a serious note... please be VERY careful outside. There was a guy on this forum who witnessed a bird take his chameleon! He "...looked away just for a second..." it was heartbreaking Others have had near misses and some have not been able to find their cham again. If I have Luna outside and not in a cage I never let her out of my site - not for one second. A cham will naturally want to be in some foilage so rather than wait until he finds some, try placing him in a shrub or small tree that YOU CAN REACH ANY PART OF and then let him wander aorund in it. But do not take your eyes of him. Chams can move unsually fast given their (seemingly) rather sedentary life. Luna has a favorite small tree that produces red berries in the fall (she loves red food). But keep in mind, if you do place him in a tree that has fruit be sure you know what the fruit is and whether it will be harmful to him. If you are not sure - find another tree

lele
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha

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