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If BLOOD PYTHONS are the future,why are they sooo cheap? You can get bloods for $80.00.Not just Brongersmai.I have seen really gorgeouse borneo's for $150.00.Very tempting however I just don't have the room.I LOVE RED BLOODS so much that I am always willing to pay TOP DOLLAR for really gorgeouse specimens.Like Marters.
Now for the real reason I posted this post.I recently wanted to sell my Malaysian cause I found out SHE was a HE.I didn't need a extra male.I put him up in the classifieds for about a month.I was asking $300.00 for him witch is very expensive for a blood.(chuckle)I didn't get one reply!!!He is gorgeouse and already nailing red.THANK GOD NOBODY WANTED HIM!!!As of last week his reds almost doubled!!!!So I pulled the ad.
Back to the first topic.Let's just say there are about 100 (hypothetically speaking)of us die hard blood fans that would pay big bucks for the animals we adore,and about 10% percent of those people drop out cause they find out blood husbantry is trickier than a common boa.That's why we are seeing so many bloods for sale.In conclusion I'm just sad to see my favorite snake being as disposable as a burm.What do you think?
I can't post updated pics of my male cause my camera is down,but here's the pics from the ad. Ash Lopez

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Ball Pythons were as cheap as anything gets, but now you can pay $45,000 and even higher for some balls. Not saying you will see bloods at that price anytime soon, but if it can happen to so many other snakes (even boas), then what would be so different about bloods? As more laws are passed banning big snakes (burms, retics, ect..), bloods/borneos will be some of the largest sized animals left to own. I also think because of all the new hot animals coming out, there will be lots of fun morphs/colors to work with. I can see a Sunglow Blood making you good money one day. Take that red male of yours crossed with a really nice hypo blood, and who knows whats next... I am looking for a Red Flame Spider Blood, or a Pied Blonde Borneo (also known as ButterCups,lol)... Who knows, but it could happen. What morph would you want most, if you could name it?

What your seeing are the tremors in a market like this. Somebody jumps on the bandwagon thinking every Red Blood they buy will turn Red, and are surprised and frustrated when they don't. Therefore you see a flood of not so red Red Bloods. I used to keep Blood Pythons, but they were absolute trouble for me. I wound up selling the few that made it, the others, well one is still in my freezer, and all the rest are under the backyard

Wow, how awful.. You must of had really bad luck with bloods, sorry to hear that. Wish you lived close to me, I could show you a whole new side of bloods. I would NEVER buy a wild caught unless I saw something in that animal that could advance a bloodline that I am working on. You may pay $50.00 dollars more for a captive bred baby, but you can at least call up the seller to get info on the bloodline. Yes there are a few people out there that will say anything to sell a animal. You can also read the forums and see who is happy with their bloods, contact them for more info on where they got their bloods. Best of luck to you and your animals. Bloods really can be so cool jody

I know they are awesome animals, but #$%^ happens I guess. I had 10 or 11 animals that were the epitome of what a Red Blood is. Yes, some of them were WC, but that didn't really make a difference as I acclimated all of them and they were thriving. I will say this though, do not drop any of your Blood Pythons below 75 Degrees. I had a power outage that I guess happened right after I fell asleep, and even though I'm in Florida, the inside temps still fell to the low 60's - high 50's. Needless to say, after about $1300 in Vet bills I only had about 4 left that were healthy. I had one or two that would not get over the URI they had. They would start feeding and seem fine, but a few weeks later it came back and each time it was worse than before. The rest croaked while we were treating them. I did all I could, but they just aren't for me. Did I mention that all this happened a few days before X-mas?

Man, I am so sorry to hear that. What an awful Christmas huh? I do have alarms set up on my snakes and have gas heaters just in case. I never let mine get below 76, but as you said #!@* does happen. I hope you get a new pair and get the chance to enjoy them this time. What a nightmare that must have been. Thanks for sharing the info, now I understand why you had such hard times with yours. RI is such a drag, and I have lost a few that way also. jody

The problem you are experiencing is the result of several factors:
1) The stigma still held by many about the disposition of blood pythons. Many people still are convinced bloods are mean and nasty.
2) The fact the numbers of imported, farmed animals still satisfy the current demand for bloods making competition for captive bred difficult.
3) Most buyers can't tell the difference between captive bred and farmed, thus no product differentiation.
4) Bloods are not a beginner animal and require better husbandry skills than more tolerant snakes like boas and ball pythons.
5) Buyer confusion over taxonomic/locality differences.

Until there is clarity on these points the blood python market will still be a pain. Just my thoughts at 2:45 in the morning.
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rich nailed most of the facts of why you didn't sell him.one other reason is who you are.unfortunately in this business trust has alot to do with it.you have to build a reputation.nobody trusts us little guys to start off with.word of mouth goes a long way.look at kevin marter.2 years ago you didn't hear his name.now look he has alot of demand for his snakes.the same with kara.4 years ago we didn't know who she was.but she found a niche,stuck to her guns,and produces quality animals.so don't lose faith with your bloods.the explosion in the market is not far off.

If we are comparing them to ball pythons, which in my opinion isn't a practical one but none the less I will anyway, the price of even normal bloods far exceeds that of ball pythons. Your average captive hatched/wild caught ball import is around $20-$40, while most imported bloods sell for two to three times that, if not more. Big name ball breeders sell captive bred balls for $60-$100, while big name blood breeders sell captive bred bloods for anywhere from $100-$300. Bloods are similar to swans in the fact that they are ugly little things as babies, but get better and better with age.

The blood python market is young and I think has a TON of room to grow. Many morphs are being discovered and are just now being available to the general public. I know that Tracy of VPI and Kara of Nerd have several morphs that they are quietly reproducing...an army ready for battle. Wouldn't it be great to have a couple adult blood females ready for when these animals are offered to the public?

Unfortunately many states are banning large snakes such as burms, retics, anacondas, and even boa constrictors. Where are these people going to turn to get their large body animal craving? Bloods I hope. Not many snakes that reach 4-6 feet as an adult can handle a rabbit as food. Bloods are often wrongfully maligned when it comes to aggressiveness. Like many balls, retics, burms, etc, most wild caught adult bloods are quite aggressive; but like burms, retics, and balls, animals that have been raised from babies, be it captive bred or hatched are much better natured.

Just think, what if you bought an albino ball 6 years ago? Or even, what if you bought 10 female captive bred baby balls 6 years ago? How far ahead of the game would you be? Think about it!

Matt

Here's a picture of a T albino blood owned by Kara at NERD...tell me that thing isn't a GEM!

I never really saw it like that.Yes,when the morphs do come out really nice adult normals will be back in demand.....Hmmmm KOOL!!! Thanks man....Ash Lopez
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I wasn't trying to compare balls or boas to bloods other than as an example as to how things can change as new morphs/colors come into play. Thanks Jody

Ash et al

I didnt read everybodys post cause I am in a rush but thought I'd through my uneducated 2 cents in.

The same thing has happened in chondropythons. The market is being flooded with farmed animals and it is driving prices down. You still cant buy one for $100 but you will soon (year or two). It was ball pythons before that. However, and this is the big however, high end-chondropythons are more expensive than ever, as are high end ball pythons etc etc etc. Low to mid quality snakes will be cheap in the future especially if we let the farms and importers flood the market with cheap, low quality animals. We should fight tooth and nail to stop importation for our sakes and the sake of the snakes survival in the wild. If we do good bloods will certainly hold their value. Some will gain in value. The price of poor quality animals will surely fall either sooner or later.Later if we get our way. It is enevitable. We are in charge of the future of the hobby. If we take the high road, we and the snakes will reap the rewards (no poor quality animals sold to people who cant afford to take care of them properly)

We must educate the public! We must protect our borders! We must limit mass breeding! We must be our own ambassadors!

Steve (2 cents worth of no sense)

I think it all depends on what one wants out of them. I totally agree with you Steve in that we should strictly regulate how many imports are brought in each year, both for the price of captive born normals as well as the sole existence of the species. On the other hand, one of the MANY factors that I believe drives the ball python market is a continued source of cheap farmed/wild caught imports. With any market, you need a base. If the base is small, the top is even smaller. The availability of cheap captive hatched balls is one factor that allowed that base to grow. Where do most people in this country get their first snake? Most likely it's a pet store. Since online prices are usually half or three quarters of pet store prices, the availability of cheap snakes is what drives the growth of the base. From there they might pick up a Reptile magazine, go on the internet, or talk to others and find out about morphs...i.e. the top of the pyramid.

So in a nutshell, it's a two edged sword. If the price of normals is too high, their will be little interest. If the price is too low, it is detrimental to both the breeders and the species as a whole.

There's my buck fifty.

matt

I was informed that female Albino T 's were around $8300 two to three years ago. I just bought my female for $2500 (vpi no less). Quite frankly, I would be suspicious of the blood/morph market. I bought my pair of albino bloods because I would like to develop my own strains, and I think they are very very pretty. But c'mon- if that price difference is true, that means even the albino RETIC has held better value considering how many eggs they can lay. There still isn't a reliable breeder who consistantly produces crayon RED blood pythons. We need a breeder to bloods pythons as Will leary is to jungles. I suppose that would be VPI...?

you have to put each snake into context.3 years ago you would pay 75,000 for a snowball.no you can get one for 25,000.that is one third the price just like the albino bloods.

Not only that, but morphs in general tend to hold their value quite well at ~$1000-$3000...mainly due to the fact that at that price the demand is higher because more people can afford them. Very few people can afford a $10,000 snake, while many more can afford a $2500 snake.

I think those price changes are representative of the "holy cow" phase when one or two breeders have the morph, and the "wow, your snakes are just nicer than all of those average snakes out there" phase. You are spot on when you relate to those big intial price drops, then they should hold their relative value for quite some time. Remember supply-side economics, me neither. I always had a hangover and never made it to my 8:00 AM classes. The point is that there are two markets, the average consumer market and the collector market. The consumer market is just last years collector market. As supplies increase prices drop. Eventually new morphs will replace them at the top of the heap. The trick is that we must make sure we are always one and not the other.

The defintiion of "collector snakes" must changes over time, as it has always done with ball pythons. The best breeders must stay a step ahead of the game. It is sort of that corporate giant vs the little guy thing. If you invest in big lots of one thing you become a victim of your own enertia. To stay ahead of the market you must stay agile and reflexive and anticipative to the market.

When I read Richs post I instantly was reminded of the blood projects that are on my drawing board. He hit the proverbial nail. My projects are 10 year projects and I pray that one of you lucky skunks doesn't beat me to the draw. Mine snakes aren't great yet but I sure dont want to be raising 5 clutches of normal blood pythons. I had one proven "average" adult female that was ready to breed this year and I sold her, not wanting to try to sell babies for $85 on KS. I do not own albino bloods because most of you guys got a big head start on me. I'll let all of you have those projects and I'll wait until they are $1000 or so to buy mine. You've got a decent jump on the market and I sincerely hope you capitalize as a reflection of a healthy market.

I sort of make it sound like I know what to do. I dont. I am also quite afraid of the market being flooded with blood babies and after having invested $$$$ and years of my life while 15 guys beat me to the draw and are selling MY morph for next to nothing. It can and will happen. I just hope that some luck follows me and just one of my projects pans out. I also have to remind myself why I do this. I love the snakes. I love having this conversation with my "friends". I am very fortunate in that I never ever have to sell a snake to keep my family fed. I do have to sell them to find room for more though. Bummer huh?

I'll say this again. I respect those gus who make their living by buying and selling snakes. I am however not a fan of importation. True, I have bought WC and farm-breds in the past. Mistakes that I will not make again. I feel strongly that such animals should not be allowed to enter this country. Especially once captive numbers are more than sufficient to supply the market. That is a little two-faced and self-serving but I do think there is inherent value to the snakes in captive breeding.

Wow, I'm a windbag today. Can you tell I'm on vacation for two months? Yippeee!

Steve

Ok so Steve started it... and I'm an Econ major.

Let's say we start out with a normal snake that is in small supply, lets say blood pythons circa 85'. You have a downward shifting demand curve (the more are available the less people will pay) and an upward shifting supply curve (when you have alot you want a high price so you make more money on that kind of snake). So we have an equilibrium point in 85' with a price at P1, and a quantity of Q1. As more people get snakes and keep breeding the supply will go up, but demand hasn't necissarily changed. So thus we get a rightward shift in the supply curve. Now the new equilibrium point P2, Q2 has a lower price and a higher quantity of animals. Now were all pissed off because we arent getting as much for our babies as we paid.

Now what were hoping is that demand changes. Assuming that there is no continued increase in supply (which there will be, but I'm trying to simplyfy the example) the demand will shift to the right, and supply will stay constant. Which will thus further increase the quantity sold, and the price will return to its original value.

You can argue that larger breeders that only release a few babies of a morph (assuming they are they only ones that have it) at a specific price (Po) act in the same way a union does to a labor force. Wherein there is no equilibrium state. At the price that is set their is a small demand (QA) and a large supply (QW). Once other breeders get ahold of these animals and start breeding the price and quantity will travel to the equilibrium. Which thus results in a HUGE initial drop in price. From here on out the price and quantity will stay at the equilibrium and the equilibrium will move due to shifts in the supply and demand curves. If I were to guess anything I would say after some significant drop in price the demand will actually be lower than it really is (due to people afraid to buy, because they think their is no future value). Then once they see the price is staying the demand will increase, thus the price will go with it.

As far as the market for bloods.. I honestly think there is a very good market ahead for bloods. Maybe not dull, brown everyday imported babies, but imo not so good looking normals are comparable to that of the market for normal balls and boas. However the higher quality normal animals (lets face it there is alot more variablility in normal bloods than balls or boas) will most likely stay were they are if not rise. Once the morphs that none of us can afford right now start becoming available people will want top quality adults to breed these animals to in order to establish a good base for breeding hets of their line of whatever. I guarantee it, just like you see giagolianwhatever line pastels, vpi axantics etc being advertised. A year ago there was no Marter on the boards selling amazing reds.. I even remember his first post he said he was going to hold stuff back because he didnt think he could sell them. Now every week I see people screaming about their Marter blood (yes I'm bitter I missed out, can you tell?). And hes sold out from what I know (they werent selling for $65 either). Trust me, once morphs start being more redily available (just look how quickly they are being discovered) the market will stabilize. Albinos were very high for a reason (I believe I explained this already) and have come close to a stabilization point. What else do most people have to breed to an albino now? Nada... who wants a T Red Head Albino Ivory Tiger Blood tho? Thats potentially worth... a bazillion dollars? and do you think you would shell out a few grand for an albino to make a snake like that? Think about it...

If you were to compare it to anything I would say the blood market will be kind of like the retic market accept ALOT better as far as the normals go. It also seems alot of co-dom morphs are arriving.. Good blood = Yellow Head? Super Stripe = Super Tiger? Hmm I dunno, I'll stop ranting now.

coughthefutureisbreitcough,

Jordan
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What a really fun and great post Jordan!!

Tracy/VPI

Good post and funny as heck. I think someone should write a book on reptile economics...

call it "Economies of ScaleS"
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Yes Economics is oooober fun.. not. I love the book title tho Rich! I'll get started on it right away! lol jk
For my Economectics class I was actually going to collect data and run a regression analysis on the prices of ball morphs. Input data would be; type of morph, type of heriditary (co-dom etc), visible/het, weight (or age, as they are closely related), of known lineage, and age of morph (how long its been being produced) maybe a few others I dunno. With regressions what happens is you collect alot of data on different snakes and get values for each of these for each snake. Then you run it through a program and it gives you a value for each different input (or you can calculate it, but that takes forever). So you end up with something like Price = MORPH(23.39378) HEREDITARY(2.3948) etc.. where you have values morph and hereditary (typically 0, or 1 for these based on if it is a specific morph etc) and you would theoretically be able to calculate a balls marked value based on the regression. In the end it was just going to be too hard to get data, but if I get some free time I might do it anyways. Pretty sure I still have access to the regression program. But I'll stop babbling about econ..

J
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Errr, now I remember. I wasnt hungover and skipping economics. I was still drunk and slept through it. It is far more entertaining when Jordan say it. I think.

Steve

Hmmmmm....normally I am happy to read and sit back and breed blood pythons, but I couldn't help myself. How about some history....

in 1991, Bill Brant and VPI had huge collections of normal ball pythons...no one was interested in the slightest...in fact...we sold them all....

Come back in 15 years for the rest of the blood python story!!!

Tracy/VPI

I suppose I am more than willing to agree with you tracy. I don't mean to backpedal, or look as if I'm kissing arse, but you're probably right. You've seen more, and so have many other breeders I have spoken too. But still, I can't help but have my reservations on the T albino situation. I have never been given a cogent explanation as to why the price has dropped so plainly in comparison to other albino morphs. Right now you can pick up a legitimate juvenile albino male retic for $1500. That's exactly how much my male albino blood snake cost.

Bob clark had the first albino retic in the country in 1993, or 94 (cant remember the year). I'm sure that the first albino retics were finally born in 1999. Now as I just read a brief bit of history on the T albino, it shows that the first babies were hatched somewhere in 1997 from VPI. Is the two year difference the offset and reason why albino retics and bloods have similar prices, regardless of bloods considerably smaller clutch size? Or is it because Reticulateds have more morphs, and more variations going for them, putting them in a more "in demand" bracket? Or am I really just neglecting some small detail?

I know some people who see Borneos as the REAL blood future, as there are more possibilities and variations. But to me, the T albino Bloods are just the prettiest, and I really don't want to look at them as mere investments. It's not morphs that excite me. It's the thought of Black pythons and Timor pythons being regularly reproduced. Now that would be something! It really would be something.

best,
Enneagram

>>I know some people who see Borneos as the REAL blood future, as there are more possibilities and variations.

I personally agree with that 100% If any of the bloods have a chance (in my opinion) it's the Borneo and when hets from that T- 'over the pond' eventually make it here to the U.S., well the real fun will begin with the morph thing! That snake looks pretty unreal from the 'fuzzy' pic I saw... can't wait to see a GOOD pic of it!

Matt
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Tod Ashley C.$.C.

Here's an older picture for you. I will post some more.

thats not true.there are just as many blood morphs out there.just because you don't see them posted here everyday doesn't mean the don't exist.or mean that they haven't been proven.look over at the blood forums at herportal.com. dave posted many blood morphs that the they have proven.they just are not as public about it as other people.

Understand, my post was an opinion about the 'future' of them, not a statement of claimed fact. I personally believe that Borneo's will have the most potential based on years of personal experience with all three subspecies. I checked out herpportal and could not find pics of the "many blood morphs". Where should I look? Any links you could provide would be appreciated. I only see a single post under that Blood Python forum. Do you maybe mean the VPI web site? If so, yes, there are a few on there, but not too many. Again, my opinion is that bloods as a whole will never have the popularity that say Ball Python morphs do. Regardless, I'll always keep and enjoy them. Hopefully, over time more people will do just the same. But, I'm not looking to get rich off them so I really don't care if the market ever does explode and take off (It would be good to help popularity with them though). Bottom line: I'm happy to sell/trade babies with other interested keepers and try to get more people started off with them.

Matt

>>thats not true.there are just as many blood morphs out there.just because you don't see them posted here everyday doesn't mean the don't exist.or mean that they haven't been proven.look over at the blood forums at herportal.com. dave posted many blood morphs that the they have proven.they just are not as public about it as other people.

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Tod Ashley C.$.C.

matt,sorry about that .you have to go to the bottom left of the page and use the pull down menu.then click on the search threads for the last year.dave posted them in january of this year.
Doug

Thank, Doug... some great stuff there!

Much appreciated,

Matt

>>matt,sorry about that .you have to go to the bottom left of the page and use the pull down menu.then click on the search threads for the last year.dave posted them in january of this year.
>> Doug
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Tod Ashley C.$.C.

dwb, is correct! Lots of neat things in the works. You know it is ok to just do something because you like it. And I will say one thing here that has struck me over the past two years. I've sold a lot of ball pythons. No one has ever called me back and said "Tracy I love this snake, it is so much fun, and has so much personality, and is so cool." They keep it in a box, breed it, and sell the babies. There is nothing wrong with that, that is why they bought it. But you know what it really cool-I can't think of anyone who has bought bloods from me that hasn't called me and said those things! And I am not kidding when I say I have people who call me weekly and tell me how much fun they are to keep. When it all becomes routine, when everyone has the same thing, I'm pretty confident that people who keep snakes will keep keeping snakes. Where will they turn when that time comes? Well I feel pretty good that a % will look at these snakes. Because frankly they have it all-size, ease, feeding, reproduction, variation, fun. I have kept thousands of snakes. When it came to choosing one that I would devote the rest of my snake keeping career to, based on everything I had experienced keeping snakes-I decided on bloods/short-tails.

Tracy/VPI

re below: would you really be upset if what came out of these eggs was $1500 ea or $1K ea? or $500 ea? or $250 ea? Or if what came out were gorgeous fabulous animals that gave a lot of people a lot of pleasure-and the proceeds were given to a good cause?

I know I've told you 100 times the borneos are my favorites!

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I definitely agree with what Tracy and Matt had to say. I hope that bloods will grow in popularity in the future, and I'm excited to see all the new morphs coming out, but I personally don't keep snakes because of their market value or because they will be the next big thing. I've kept ball pythons for years, but really fell in love with bloods. Even reading the posts in the blood forums, it seems apparent that everyone really cares about their snakes, more than the average Ball keeper. It's great seeing so many people producing great looking captive bred snakes, and I've noticed the quality of the snakes I've seen go up in the past few years. I definitely hope that continues, and more people realize how great these snakes are. I think then those people will be willing to pay more for a good quality snake (I know I am), but the average person getting their first blood may not know the difference between a farmed baby for $80 and a high quality CB for a little more. Just my opinion. -chris-

Tracy, I have to agree with you 100%... Bloods and Borneos are really the perfect choice for me as well j

i added the link for you

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>>I think it all depends on what one wants out of them. I totally agree with you Steve in that we should strictly regulate how many imports are brought in each year, both for the price of captive born normals as well as the sole existence of the species.

Matt, unfortunately, limiting importation will NOT help the animals in the wild to any great extent. I'm not 'up' on the current CITES numbers, but if I recall the CITES quota on Bloods was a few thousand a few years back while the SKIN quota was around 65,000! So, as you can see, the importation will not stop the exploitation. Too many 'rich-folk' still want them snake skin bags and boots (totaly lame). Personally, I'd like to see both numbers reduced drastically as we all know the current market really does not need so many imports. Yes, the hope would be to drive up the value of CBB animals, but then it all starts to revolve around capitalism. If Borneo's were effectively worthless, I'd still produce them and keep them, bottom line. There will always be a niche for them, but I disagree that the market on them will 'boom'. Never happen... Of course, that's my opinion, but they do have significant drawbacks over the Ball Python. Mainly, size. Most folks in my opinion (myself included) like the ability to keep large numbers of Ball pythons in relatively decent sized rack systems. With Bloods there are just not many options for keeping large volumes of them. I may be proven wrong and TONS of people might start keeping them, but I seriously doubt it on this one (it's something I've put a lot of thought into). The 'boom' was suppossed to start around 1996? and still has not even taken off. Maybe in due time.

Just my $0.02 and worthless opinions...

Matt
p.s. - I'm keeping my fingers crossed on the 21 Borneo eggs in the incubator. They are due in 9 days?!?!
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Tod Ashley C.$.C.

Well put Matt. What can we do as a group or as individuals? I'm game?

Steve

Two things -
1. in the pictures he's not THAT red.
2. it's a male.

If you have a male morph you're looking for exceptional females to breed him to. If you have a female morph you're looking for a male morph to breed to her to to have the maximum number of offspring displaying the trait. It makes sense to breed a male morph to multiple females. If you can't afford morph females - produce hets. It doesn't make sense to go through the trouble of buying a morph female without breeding her to a morph male or at least a male SO exceptional that he's bringing something new to the bloodline. Basically, just like in ball pythons, normal males aren't in demand. He is a nice normal blood but not SO red or unique that I would breed him to an albino female.

I can only add a little to this but I have loved Bloods since the 80's but it took me till a few months ago to buy some. Now I have owned some really cool snakes over the last 20 years I have kept Emeralds,Chondros,Retics,Boas,Burms,Balls and now I have 5 Bloods 4 of them came from Tracy and I have told her several times how much I love these guys. Out of all of the other snakes I have bought over the years Tim Turmezei was the first person I honestly would email out of the blue to tell him how much I loved an animal I bought from them and now Tracy is the second person. This is how I start my morning I wake up at 6am now since we moved back to the city I don't wake up at 4am no more and look at my Chondro collection first but as of right now they are in our bedroom till we move again in a few months so its the first and last thing I see but my next step is going to the other snake room with the Balls and Bloods. I look everyone over but man it is not till I pull out the drawers in my Blood racks that make me crack the biggest smile every morning thinking these things are the coolest animals I have every owned. I really think Bloods will be the next big thing once people see they are not nasty animals that reach a great size. Look at Retics, Chondros and Emeralds 15 years ago they were the nastiest animals out there in peoples eyes and look how they came along once people really had a clue about these animals they took off. Balls 15 years ago were hard to give away. I didn't know anyone that would admit to owning one and look at those now. Besides how can't you love one of these little guys from Tracy???

Tim Rash

nocturnal-creations.com

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