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Diadophis punctatus punctatus

venom_2 Jun 27, 2005 07:21 PM

I recently acquired 3 southern ringnecks. I have no experience with these skittish snakes and am looking for any advice anyone might want to give. do they ever calm down? i tried rosy reds as well as night crawlers, neither worked. any tips? the night crawlers seemed just to large, these snakes range between 5-6in. long. do they do well with newspaper substrate? how have keepers presented food? just placed in cage live? have any keepers ever seen them eat already dead rosies? thanks in advance for answers to any of these questions.

kevin

Replies (16)

caecilianman02 Jun 27, 2005 08:49 PM

Hello,

Congragulations on becoming the owner of these amazing little snakes. I have kept several, and currently own a very nice specimen. You are correct; Nightcrawlers and rosies are far too large for such little snakes. I have had success feeding guppies and small earthworms to my Southern ringneck snakes. Newspaper may be the most innapropriate of substrates for such snakes; ringnecks and other secretive fossorial or terrestrial snakes need a moist substrate in which to hid or burrow in order to survive in captivity.
I have had the most success with moistened cypress mulch, sphagnum, clean additive-free potting soil etc. I am currently using a cypress mulch/ sphagnum mixture, with several flat rocks and pieces of cork bark as shelters. I also use store-bought reptile dens, grapewood, and plastic ferns... always provide a shallow bowl of water for your snakes.
A 10-gallon is a good size. Make sure that the lid is escape-proof at all times! It is best not to handle your Diadophis. Mine have often basked while in the presence of an ultraviolet light. A thermal gradient can be provided by use of a small basking lamp in a dome-type reflector.
Leave the snakes in a quite, humid place. Mist and stir the substrate frequently, and change it every few weeks. Enjoy!
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DAVE

1.0 Western green toad
1.1 green treefrogs
1.0 Florida blue garter snake
1.1 Oriental fire-bellied toads
1.0 American bullfrog
0.1 Spanish ribbed newt
0.0.1 Eastern ribbon snake
1.1 red-cheeked mud turtles
0.1 Dubia day gecko
1.0 Sonoran gopher snake
0.1 rough green snakes
1.1 giant African black millipedes
1.0 Okeetee corn snake
0.1 Albino African clawed frog
1.0 Kenyan sand boa
0.0.1 Argentine flame-bellied toadlet
0.0.1 African bullfrog
1.0 yellow * Everglades rat snake intergrade
1.1 Western hognose snakes
1.2 fire salamanders
1.0 scarlet kingsnake
0.0.1 Argentine horned frog
0.1 Southern ringneck snakes
1.0 Florida scarletsnake
0.0.1 Florida brown snake
0.0.1 Northern brown snake
0.0.1 Smooth earth snake
0.0.2 Western worm snakes
"And tons of garters and ribbons are being born in the reptile room this very minute..."

HerperHelmz Jun 28, 2005 09:07 AM

Dude, you're wrong.

Southern ringneck snakes will eat just about anything, except snakes. Nightcrawlers, yes, rosy reds, yes. I've had southerns eat goldfish 3 times wider than their head.

Newspaper substrate is ok. Give them a water bowl. Newspaper will be the best substrate if you are going to be feeding worms, that way nothing can get stuck to them.

With worms/nightcrawlers, I usually just throw it in there with the snake(s) and once the snake sees it, it usually grabs it. I've done the same with fish, I've also held up live, or dead, fish to a southern and they take it from my fingers.

I've had southerns take f/t worms or f/t fish, and they are quite easy to maintain.

Mike
Michael's Place

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caecilianman02 Jun 28, 2005 10:19 AM

Hello,

I am sure that you are correct about Southern ringnecks accepting nightcrawlers, adult rosies, and large goldfish, but for smaller specimens (5 in.) I am simply stating that smaller prey items such as red wrigglers or guppies may be easier to take down. Sure, if a ringneck wanted to eat a prey item that size it could... but In general I have had the best success using smaller prey items.
The issue reguarding newspaper as a sustrate does confuse me, as I read in two modern snake-care books that ringnecks require a moist substrate for burowing in captivity:

Philippe de Vosjoli- "Basic Care of Rough Green Snakes (Indcluding Notes on the Care of Brown Snakes and Ringneck Snakes)"- 1995

"The substrate should not be paper or artificial carpet, which will cause the snakes to dehydrate and die, but rather a peat-moss-based potting soil or a soil-and-peat-moss mixture. Adding a small amount (up to 20 percent) of mulch or small orchid bark or chopped green moss to the substrate will make it easier for the snakes to burrow; it will aslo help prevent soil compaction. Add a small amount of water to the mixture so that it feels just damp and remains flaky when allowed to fall through your hand. If it fels wet and muddy rather than damp and flaky, then the mixture is too wet. Place a 2-to-3-inch (5-to-7-cm) layer of this substrate at the bottom of the vivarium...

John V. Rossi-Snakes of The United States and Canada- Keeping them healthy in captivity (Volume 1-Eastern Area)-1992

"The substrate of choice is a peat moss/ soil mixture upon which bark strips or flat stones are laid in order to form surface refuges. The substrate should be no deeper than one quarter the length of the snake but one to two inches deep is satisfactory for most snakes. It should be misted ocassionally and stirred every few weeks. Change the substrate every two to four months..."

Now that I have brought up the topic of Rossi's work, I am interested in hearing what other snake keepers have to say about it. I was quite impresed at the useful information or care, feeding, and treatment for parasites.

I am simply stating what I have had success with, and what I have read is appropriate in several recent publications for the hobbyist. Newspaper may indeed be a suitable substrate for some specimens. After all, we know very little about these seldom-kept smaller snakes. Just my 2-cents worth. Just what has worked for me.

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DAVE

1.0 Western green toad
1.1 green treefrogs
1.0 Florida blue garter snake
1.1 Oriental fire-bellied toads
1.0 American bullfrog
0.1 Spanish ribbed newt
0.0.1 Eastern ribbon snake
1.1 red-cheeked mud turtles
0.1 Dubia day gecko
1.0 Sonoran gopher snake
0.1 rough green snakes
1.1 giant African black millipedes
1.0 Okeetee corn snake
0.1 Albino African clawed frog
1.0 Kenyan sand boa
0.0.1 Argentine flame-bellied toadlet
0.0.1 African bullfrog
1.0 yellow * Everglades rat snake intergrade
1.1 Western hognose snakes
1.2 fire salamanders
1.0 scarlet kingsnake
0.0.1 Argentine horned frog
0.1 Southern ringneck snakes
1.0 Florida scarletsnake
0.0.1 Florida brown snake
0.0.1 Northern brown snake
0.0.1 Smooth earth snake
0.0.2 Western worm snakes
"And tons of garters and ribbons are being born in the reptile room this very minute..."

HerperHelmz Jun 28, 2005 10:48 AM

I've never had a ringneck snake die of dehydration, no matter the substrate. regalringneck on these forums has maintained regals for years at a time on newspaper. Even though the regals are more of a desert-type snake, they can still dehydrate. If you give a snake water, it will drink.

After all, we know very little about these seldom-kept smaller snakes.

The ringnecks are exactly seldom kept anymore. There are quite a bit of people working with them.

Just to let you know, there is alot of information known about the southern ringneck snakes. Rossi has done much work with many species of snakes, and I respect his work, but almost all of the information found in books that is about ringneck snakes is outdated.

If you keep a ringneck snake on a moist substrate, or in a humid enclosure, it will get blisters.

Mike
Michael's Place

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Michael's Place has updated, better caresheets
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
Helmz777@aol.com
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake

caecilianman02 Jun 28, 2005 12:42 PM

Hello,

Thank you very much for the helpful information. As small terrestrial snake keepers, hopefully all of us on this forum can share our ideas and experiences to better understand how to keep Diadophis in captivity. I am glad to hear that a newspaper substrate will indeed work. I am always interested in what new things we may discover about these snakes.

Happy Herping,
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DAVE

1.0 Western green toad
1.1 green treefrogs
1.0 Florida blue garter snake
1.1 Oriental fire-bellied toads
1.0 American bullfrog
0.1 Spanish ribbed newt
0.0.1 Eastern ribbon snake
1.1 red-cheeked mud turtles
0.1 Dubia day gecko
1.0 Sonoran gopher snake
0.1 rough green snakes
1.1 giant African black millipedes
1.0 Okeetee corn snake
0.1 Albino African clawed frog
1.0 Kenyan sand boa
0.0.1 Argentine flame-bellied toadlet
0.0.1 African bullfrog
1.0 yellow * Everglades rat snake intergrade
1.1 Western hognose snakes
1.2 fire salamanders
1.0 scarlet kingsnake
0.0.1 Argentine horned frog
0.1 Southern ringneck snakes
1.0 Florida scarletsnake
0.0.1 Florida brown snake
0.0.1 Northern brown snake
0.0.1 Smooth earth snake
0.0.2 Western worm snakes
"And tons of garters and ribbons are being born in the reptile room this very minute..."

venom_2 Jun 28, 2005 01:35 PM

so far i have offered both night crawlers and rosy reds, neither have worked. have either of you experienced stubborn feeders w/ these snakes? thanks for all the advice.

kevin

HerperHelmz Jun 28, 2005 03:21 PM

Eventually they all feed. I never had a southern ringneck that didn't adjust and feed. Give them time.

Mike
Michael's Place

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Michael's Place has updated, better caresheets
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
Helmz777@aol.com
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake

caecilianman02 Jun 28, 2005 03:32 PM

Hello there,

I have kept a trio of Diadophis punctatus punctatus, and have never had any problems reguarding feeding.
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DAVE

1.0 Western green toad
1.1 green treefrogs
1.0 Florida blue garter snake
1.1 Oriental fire-bellied toads
1.0 American bullfrog
0.1 Spanish ribbed newt
0.0.1 Eastern ribbon snake
1.1 red-cheeked mud turtles
0.1 Dubia day gecko
1.0 Sonoran gopher snake
0.1 rough green snakes
1.1 giant African black millipedes
1.0 Okeetee corn snake
0.1 Albino African clawed frog
1.0 Kenyan sand boa
0.0.1 Argentine flame-bellied toadlet
0.0.1 African bullfrog
1.0 yellow * Everglades rat snake intergrade
1.1 Western hognose snakes
1.2 fire salamanders
1.0 scarlet kingsnake
0.0.1 Argentine horned frog
0.1 Southern ringneck snakes
1.0 Florida scarletsnake
0.0.1 Florida brown snake
0.0.1 Northern brown snake
0.0.1 Smooth earth snake
0.0.2 Western worm snakes
"And tons of garters and ribbons are being born in the reptile room this very minute..."

Oxyrhopus Jun 28, 2005 03:46 PM

Just kidding. This was a road kill that was used as food for my coral snake today. Get some guppies and let them swim in a very small shallow water dish or let them hop around and those ringnecks should take after them like wildfire.

Dan

HerperHelmz Jun 28, 2005 06:08 PM

Dan,

Is that coral still stuck on ringnecks?

Wait until it's winter time and I'll send you the couple ringnecks I have in the freezer.

Mike
Michael's Place

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Michael's Place has updated, better caresheets
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www.freewebs.com/mikesnake

Oxyrhopus Jun 28, 2005 06:41 PM

Actually I starved it for three weeks and it started to take water snakes, brown snakes, garter snakes, racers and so far anything I put in there. However, it smells a ringneck and goes after it like a mad man. I mean it is tugging on the ringneck in that picture and trying to pull it under the substrate as I hold on tight and pull back.

Dan

regalringneck Jul 06, 2005 06:58 AM

....Thats such a gr8t shot...

...mas por-favor...

Carmichael Jun 29, 2005 08:36 PM

Northern ringnecks feed almost exclusively on red backed salamanders...just something to think about.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>I recently acquired 3 southern ringnecks. I have no experience with these skittish snakes and am looking for any advice anyone might want to give. do they ever calm down? i tried rosy reds as well as night crawlers, neither worked. any tips? the night crawlers seemed just to large, these snakes range between 5-6in. long. do they do well with newspaper substrate? how have keepers presented food? just placed in cage live? have any keepers ever seen them eat already dead rosies? thanks in advance for answers to any of these questions.
>>
>>kevin
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

HerperHelmz Jun 29, 2005 11:54 PM

Um, yeah, except northerns don't feed exclusively on salamanders. I've had northerns eat salamanders, worms, fish, and neonate snakes, as well as rodents.

Northerns' diets are very different from southerns', a southern ringneck will NEVER take a salamander as prey.

Mike
Michael's Place

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Michael's Place has updated, better caresheets
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
Helmz777@aol.com
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake

billysbrown Jul 02, 2005 08:37 PM

Hate to disagree with you, Mike, but my southern went crazy for redbacks. Turned down worms and fish, but went crazy for the salamanders.

Billy

Carmichael Jul 04, 2005 08:12 PM

Studies have proven that in some populations, red backed salamanders comprise the sole diet of this specialist so disagree as you may, I was referring to wild populations.

>>Um, yeah, except northerns don't feed exclusively on salamanders. I've had northerns eat salamanders, worms, fish, and neonate snakes, as well as rodents.
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>>Northerns' diets are very different from southerns', a southern ringneck will NEVER take a salamander as prey.
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>>Mike
>>Michael's Place
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>>Michael's Place has updated, better caresheets
>>KingPin Reptiles Inc.
>>Helmz777@aol.com
>>www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

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