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Hi, I'm new. I geuss I give some info. about myself. My name is Niki, I love horses and frogs, my favorite animals (smiles), live in Ky and I need a female Cope's Grey Tree Frog really, really bad. My little male is sooo lonely, (although he is in a cage with an anole, he's tried to eat her a couple of times!) Does any one know what to feed teeny tiny baby toads? I've been feeding them fish food, but now 2 are ready to hop out on me. They're just sooo cute!

I'm not one of the more experienced people here, but I can help you some.

First off, very nice to meet a fellow frogger, Niki. Now, your frog is not lonely, as frogs aren't social creatures. If he seems down, you probably have something that needs to be fixed with his environment and that should help. Not that you shouldn't get another frog, but he certainly doesn't need a companion. So, please tell the people here what kind of environment you have him in, as they'll be able to pinpoint anything wrong--tank size, temps, humidity, substrate, what you feed him, how old it is and how long you've had it, plants you have, etc. Also, it probably isn't a good idea to keep an anole with him (what kind of anole is it?), especially if he's trying to eat it. They can stress eachother out, and if it's okay for your frog, it's certainly not for your anole since it's almost been prey!

About the toads, do you know what species they are? Size should be indicative to what to feed it, though. Try small or pinhead crickets, as I'm guessing the froglets are not too tiny. I have some very tiny froglets myself, and no fruit flies around, so I've been feeding them ants. However, today, at least one actually ate their first pinhead, so I'm happy to get those ants out of the picture! Fish food is somewhat fine for tads, but I'm amazed if froglets would eat any (and yes, they are very cute, lol!).

Either way, it's been nice talking to you and please get back as soon as possible to figure out what's wrong! Good luck and happy herping

Not exactly lonely, I just like the cope's tree frogs and if I were to get another, I would like a female! Anywaz, He's in a 20 gal. long tank, playsand and soft pebbles at the bottom, a little hidey hole, a plant, a light w/ a 60 watt bulb (which he doesn't seem to mind because he huddles in the corner all day, or hides in the hody hole) and a really big rock w/ water. Just like a natural enviroment. I feed him crickets, moths, roaches, anything I can find! (except milworms, I hear they can eat through the frog!) His favorite seems to be moths and crickets, so thats what I prefer to feed him. Him and the little anole have lived together for a year now, the time he really tried to eat her wuz when they first got aquainted. He seems happy health wise, he "giggles" at night, sometimes in the morning, and happily hops everywhere when darkness falls. His name is Mr. Giggles. I know, but it sounded kinda cute, and it ent up sticking. My mom named him. He hides in the sand when I accedently forget to water him (opps). Any advice as what I am doing wrong (besides water) would be appriciated.

Well, the only things that I can tell you, other than about the anole, are that a 20-high would be more appropriate (for the anole, too, especially if it's a green.. but what kind is it?), and that playsand is definitely not a good substrate. It's much too dry, it could get compacted if ingested, and it's not really their natural environment (to the best of my knowledge) for them to be in sand.

Anyway, what kind of plant to you have? Maybe it is too heavy to climb on it and hide among the foliage?

Well, please try to include some other information, like the temps and humidity and so on so that someone here who has kept them or knows more about them can help better. I only know the basics for them, but there are some things that needed to be tuned to in your set-up.

Also, I know a lot of people keep anoles in tanks, but I don't really think it's appropriate. If it's a brown, I don't think it's too bad because they're more terrestrial that some of the other species, but knights, greens, and so on are very arboreal for the most part, and probably need higher air circulation. This isn't something I've read, although I wouldn't doubt it would be found in pertaining literature--it's just common to keep such arboreal species in mesh or half-mesh enclosures.

Anyway, I've read in many places that the mealworm stuff is just hoopla, but they are hard to digest, anyway, so that's not a problem. If you're feeding him outdoor insects, though, make sure that neither you or your neighbors (if you live close enough) are using pesticides in their gardens or yards. Also, if the roaches are from inside, make sure your house hasn't been fumigated in a long, long time, and that no one sprays insecticides or even puts traps out.

That's all I can think of, and I hope I've helped, although I really would like someone to come and read this to help you out further, because that's all I can do. Good luck with your frog, btw.

Well, the anole is a Bahamas Anole, which I think is a brown one. She has actually lived in the tank for 4 years. I would say it is around 84-85 degrees. I mistaked my treefrog for a bull frog I used to have in there w/ both of them, big mistake, he's the one who tried to eat my anole. I also said a 20 long, I meant a 20 high. I think I will take all the sand out of the cage, though. The plant is just a fake fish tank plant.

I forgot to tell about my babies. I'm not even sure if they are toads anymore. There is only one who grew all of his legs and is out of the water. I tried feeding him an ant, but he won't eat! Any suggestions?

Ok, I call them Cuban browns, I think most people do. I know they have them in the Bahamas, too, but I don't *think* they're originally from there and I can't rememeber ever seeing any of those anywhere I've been. But I've never been to Bimini or Nassau, where they'd most likely be, anyway. Anyway, that'd be your best bet for an anole in a tank, it's about the least arboreal. They usually don't climb too high.

Anyway, in that case, I think it can possibly be done, but I think that if your frog seems down, something isn't working for it, and I'm guessing the temps. I think that's good for a basking temp, but I think that's too hot for greys. I know that greys don't live in South Florida, they stop around the upper middle, so that leads me to believe they can't take it too hot. Or too humid, either. Anyhow, any readings on your humidity yet? If you don't have a guage, they're pretty cheap at any pet stores and work really well. I haven't had them long, but I'm particular about humidity and need it between certain levels for myself, lol. And my dad has a big hygrometer and other stuff in the den that I'd take into my room when I needed to make measurements. Anyway, I recommend you get something to figure it out. It actually changes more than I thought.. Usually, my tanks are between 70-75%, although it's a bit high. Last week, though, I went in my room--before even misting that day--and the tanks were at 90% and 94% (the sand lowers the humidity, and that's what I had in the 90% tank).

Anyway, 10-gallons are cheap and I'd seriously consider getting one for your anole, and for your new froglets, too. Then, if you figure out what's wrong with the grey, you could put another in the 20. Also, is your anole a male or female? Those males are pretty aggressive! I have one that did territorial displays against me daily until I started to feed it regularly and now it likes me, lol. But those things can be mean! They do need a lot of space, too.

Also, are your animals captive bred or wild caught? I'll assume that the anole is a wild one, but I wouldn't know if the temperament improves much for captive ones. And you're not going to keep the toadlets or froglets in there, right?

Anyway, I really hope someone reads this because I can't really help you more. So I'm waiting, lol! Well, good luck.. hope everything works out.

But about the toadlets, many species won't eat until a few weeks after their tail is absorbed. And what size is it? Ants may be too small. I have some tree froglets now that eat ants, but I had some leos and they would only take in things the size of crickets. They're only a few weeks old, and they're already on medium-large crix... But those all ate the day after they morphed. RETFs supposedly take three weeks. it all depends.

Ooh, and I don't know how, but I almost forgot--grey tree frogs have noxious skin secretions! Dunno how bad they are, but if brown anoles aren't supposed to be living with them in the wild, I don't think it would have the best tolerance to the stuff.

My anole is a female and she is a Bahamas because we got her from a pet store and thats what they said she is!

The Cope's is a wild one, but the one froglet I did have died.

A Bahamas and Cuban brown anole is the same thing.. two different names. I just think that the Cuban one applies better, and that's what most people know them as. However, they may be sold under the Bahamas name more often, because it probably sells better like that.

Anyway, the anole is going to like it warmer and more humid than the Cope's grey, considering their natural environments. Keep that in mind. It's much better if it's a female, though, because those males are crazy. However, I don't think it's fair to keep a lizard with a poisonous animal, especially if they're not really compatable, environment-wise.

I'm sorry you lost the other froglet, but that just happens inevitably a lot at that age. Not very high survival rates for most tadpoles and froglets.