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Anyone ever had problems.....

toshamc Jul 01, 2005 12:27 PM

breeding mice in the same rack as rats? I've heard that mice will not breed with the scent of rats around? My rack is a mouse and rat set up, mice on top, rats on the bottom, my problem is that my rats breed ok, but I'm not getting any results from the mice, I've added more males, even gotten females from the petstore that look like they've swallowed a golf ball - but then a month later still no little mice - I did get one batch - they ate them. Any suggestions? It sucks having to run to Petco for 20 feeder mice per week! When I have twenty out in the shed that wont breed!
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Tosha

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Replies (5)

kjanda Jul 01, 2005 05:36 PM

Yup, very frustrating. Read the post just below yours. I too have had many problems with mice. Although, I did have many sucesses as well. I have found that once you start a colony (fresh new from whereever you bought them) that is when I was most productive. Once that colony had been disrupted (any of them die for any reason) I was not able to add a "replacement" without causing problems. It didn't work out very well. So, I had to start new colonies with weanlings from my stock or trade for new ones. About rats breeding with mice, I had them both in the same very close quarters (similar to the rack set up your talking about without incident). The mice tubs were on top of the rat tubs and they seemed to breed fine. I got many good mice litters in this set up. Although, I have since "fed off" all my mice and just work with rats now. Even with the smaller balls, boas, other babies, I try to start them on rat pinks.
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Sonya Jul 01, 2005 10:15 PM

>>breeding mice in the same rack as rats? I've heard that mice will not breed with the scent of rats around? My rack is a mouse and rat set up, mice on top, rats on the bottom, my problem is that my rats breed ok, but I'm not getting any results from the mice, I've added more males, even gotten females from the petstore that look like they've swallowed a golf ball - but then a month later still no little mice - I did get one batch - they ate them. Any suggestions? It sucks having to run to Petco for 20 feeder mice per week! When I have twenty out in the shed that wont breed!

Your mice aren't breeding because every time you change their colony in any way you need to reset your date of when to expect babies. Change males....wait two months. Often, when setting up new groups you need to give them a full two months. Starting with young mice is easiest. Bringing home obvious pregnant ones may work with rats but often with mice, unless you buy the whole group and keep them together with absolute minimum stress, you get mice home and they abort or reabsorb babies and start out with the new male. Plus, starting with older mice may take LONGER than if you get a group of weanlings and grow them up together.
Plus, first time mouse moms often eat their litters. STRESS. Mice don't like change, mice don't like you peeking at them and mice don't like you to move males around. Adding more males just gave the males an alternative to breeding....trying to kill each other.
My best advice. Start fresh. Leave them entirely alone for a couple of months and don't trash them just 'cause they eat their first litters. When you want more in the group, a new group or replacements then raise up babies in your colony. Girls raised in the group and bred tend to avoid the cannabalize the first litter thing....like they learn to be good moms from their moms.
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Sonya

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toshamc Jul 01, 2005 10:40 PM

That may be the reason then - I guess I was under the impression that mice breed like mad - I wasn't aware that there were so many things that could stress them out. I'll try picking up a new colony and starting over. Thanks!
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Tosha

"Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed." Don Wood

"Of course, that's only my opinion...and I believe I am God." =) Chris Bianco

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1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 Pool skimmer rescues for this season

ballfan Jul 04, 2005 03:17 PM

What do you feed that you need mice? Rats are sooo much easier to breed.

Ben

toshamc Jul 04, 2005 04:19 PM

I have two balls that are strick live mouse eaters - they wont look at f/t or rats - even mouse scented ones, between the two they power down 10 per week - plus hatchlings some will take f/t some will take rat fuzzys but most eat better on mice.
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Tosha

"Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed." Don Wood

"Of course, that's only my opinion...and I believe I am God." =) Chris Bianco

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 Pool skimmer rescues for this season

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