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Coral Press x4: Man Bitten by Coral Snake

Jul 01, 2005 11:43 PM

SULPHUR SOUTHWEST DAILY NEWS (Louisiana) 01 July 05 Man hospitalized after coral snake bite
The Louisiana State Police was notified by the West Calcasieu/Cameron Hospital Thursday morning and advised they needed to get some anti-venom medication delivered to their hospital as fast as they could for a patient that had been bitten by a Coral snake.
Kenneth Dugas, 25 years old, of Kaplan was staying at a friend's camp on Edwards Road off of the North Fork of the Calcasieu River. Around 07:00 a.m. Thursday morning, Dugas was walking around the camp and felt something biting his shoe. He looked down and noticed a snake on his shoe. Without thinking, he tried to knock it off and the snake bit him on the finger. After capturing it with some friends he recognized that it was a Coral snake. The hospital rarely see patients that have been bitten by a Coral snake. They knew they had to find some anti-venom and with the help of Poison Control on the phone, they located some. Unfortunately, the closest anti-venom that could be found was located at the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans.
The hospital staff notified Troop D to ask if there was any way the anti-venom could be shuttled from New Orleans. Immediately, Troop B in New Orleans was notified and told about the situation. After calls were made to State Police Headquarters in Baton Rouge, the shuttle was approved. Headquarters sent the State Police Air Support Helicopter to New Orleans to pick up the anti-venom. The package was shuttled directly to the West Calcasieu/Cameron Hospital and the anti-venom medication was administered to Mr. Dugas. The package was transported in less that an hour and a half, as apposed to shuttling it by ground units, which would have taken at least three hours. The snake was turned over to the Sulphur City Animal Control officer for disposal. As of 3:30 p.m. Thursday afternoon, Mr. Dugas is resting in stable condition and will be admitted into the intensive care unit for observation.
When it comes to the life of another, we will do what we can to preserve it. The Louisiana State Police do emergency shuttles of medication, human organs, and blood when there is an emergency or the package is of an official nature requiring immediate delivery. A relay is not designed to be a taxi service or short cut to the mail service. The Louisiana State Police believes in our motto of "Courtesy, Loyalty, Service" to the public every day when we report for duty.
http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/articles/2005/06/30/news/news2.txt

WNOL (New Orleans, Louisiana) 01 July 05 Audubon Zoo rescues snake bite victim (Meredith Mendez)
New Orleans: Audubon Zoo workers rushed to the rescue of a Louisiana man after he was bitten by a deadly coral snake. It happened near the Calcasieu River in Sulphur, near Lake Charles.
Coral snakes are easy to spot with trademark bright red and yellow bands mixed in with black. That's why herpetologist Kevin Bowler at the Audubon Zoo knew immediately what he was dealing with when he got a phone call from a Sulphur doctor. Deadly with just one bite, coral snakes are all over Louisiana according to Bowler, "They're a lot more common than people think, they're fossorial, they live underground most of the time so they're not on the surface."
But the snake that bit 25-year old Kenneth Dugas was on the surface just near a camp near the Calcasieu River. Dugas told doctors he felt something biting his shoe and without thinking he tried to knock it off. That's when the snake bit his finger. Snake experts say Dugas did the right thing by immediately shaking the snake off. They say it's likely very little venom got in. However, because these snakes are so deadly, doctors knew they needed help. Bowler says the zoo keeps anti-venin on hand just in case, so he packaged it up and State Police rushed it to the Superdome helipad where it was flown across the state to help Dugas.
Dugas is now in stable condition and is expected to recover. Bowler said if you ever see a coral snake, the best thing to do is to walk calmly in the opposite direction. If you ever bitten by a coral snake, he said, you should go immediately go to a hospital.
http://wb38.trb.com/news/wgno-zoorescuessnakebitevictim07012005,0,7927813.story?coll=wnol-news-1

KPLC (Lake Charles, Louisiana) 30 June 05 Man Bitten by Coral Snake (Marty Briggs)
A Kaplan man is lucky to be alive after he was bitten by a coral snake early Thursday morning. The man was bitten at a camp site just north of Sulphur. Because coral snakes are rare in this area, anti-venom had to be flown in from the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans -- but that serum would have never made it without the quick work of West Cal Cam Hospital and Louisiana State Police.
25-year old Kenneth Dugas was bitten by this snake while staying at a friend's camp on Edwards Road off of the north fork of the Calcasieu River. It happened around 7:00 AM. Dugas was walking around the camp and felt something biting at his shoe. He looked down and noticed the snake, and without thinking, tried to knock it off. That's when the snake bit him. Dugas was taken to West Cal Cam Hospital for treatment. "Normally, we don't get that many coral snake bites in the area, so we had to acquire some anti-venom and the only place we could find it was at the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans. Because of the distance and everything else, we called State Police to see if they could assist us in getting the anti-venom delivered from New Orleans to here. If not, it would have taken quite a few more hours before we could actually start treating the patient," says Robert Daughdril of West Cal Cam.
Daughdril says the hospital was able to avoid an even more dangerous situation because of the help given by the State Police. "The venom in a coral snake is a neurological toxin, and we've got to get it in as quick as we can, so time is of the essence," says Daughdril. Sal Messina with Louisiana State Police, Troop D, adds: "As the Colonel always says, our motto is on the doors, it says 'courtesy, loyalty and service.' This is one service that State Police provides in an emergency situation."
The coral snake has been turned over to the Sulphur city animal control officer for disposal. Dugas is in stable condition with a swollen left middle finger and resting comfortably at West Cal Cam Hospital. He's in the intensive care unit for observation.
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3544526&nav=0nqxbfOV

HERALD-TRIBUNE (Sarasota, Florida) 30 June 05 State police fly coral snake antivenin to west La bite victim
Sulphur, La (AP): A 25-year-old man was bitten by a coral snake Thursday, and state police flew across the state to bring the antivenin needed to treat him.
Kenneth Dugas, 25, was in stable condition Thursday afternoon, under observation in the intensive care unit at West Calcasieu/Cameron Hospital, Trooper Sal Messina said. His left middle finger was swollen, but not severely, Messina said in a telephone interview.
He said Dugas was walking around a friend's camp off of the North Fork of the Calcasieu River about 7 a.m., waking people up, when he felt something on his tennis shoe.
He looked down, saw a snake, and, without thinking, tried to brush it off. It bit the very end of his finger.
Fingers and the webbing between toes are about the only places coral snakes can bite people, because they're very slender. This one was about 2 1/2 feet long, but only as big around as a pinky finger, Messina said.
Dugas shook the snake off immediately - the right thing to do. Coral snakes don't have fangs, and the longer they bite, the more venom gets into the body.
Dugas and some friends used a mop and a stick with a ring on it to get the snake into an ice chest. They realized it was a coral snake, and took Dugas and the snake to the hospital.
Coral snake bites are rare. The hospital staff, with help from the local poison control agency, found that the closest antivenin was at New Orleans' Audubon Zoo.
So they called state police, who organized the helicopter flight that got the remedy to Dugas in less than 90 minutes. A squad-car relay would have taken at least three hours.
"The snake was turned over to the Sulphur City Animal Control officer for disposal," Messina wrote in a news release.
It can take hours before coral snake bites really start to hurt, according to the Merck Manual of Medical Information.
Messina interviewed Dugas in the hospital. "He said it was stinging like fire," Messina recounted.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050630/APN/506301145

Replies (12)

Greg Longhurst Jul 02, 2005 07:12 AM

"Fingers and the webbing between toes are about the only places coral snakes can bite people, because they're very slender. This one was about 2 1/2 feet long, but only as big around as a pinky finger, Messina said.
Dugas shook the snake off immediately - the right thing to do. Coral snakes don't have fangs, and the longer they bite, the more venom gets into the body."

The above crap has been floating around about corals for probably over a hundred years. Micrurus reach lengths in excess of four feet. Yes, they are slender, but they can open their mouths just as wide as any other comparably sized snake. I have personally been bitten by a ringneck snake less than 18" long, which drew blood. With that bit of data, who could ever conclude that a coral has difficulty biting? And YES, they DO have fangs, people. They are elapids..the same group of snakes that includes cobras, mambas, & all of Australia's venomous snakes.

BTW, if the victim had grabbed the snake by the tail to pull it off his shoe (which was in no danger of envenomation), he would not have made the papers.

Okay..Saturday morning vent is over. ~~Greg~~

regalringneck Jul 02, 2005 07:20 AM

I agree w/ much of what you said Greg, except I dont buy the biting the shoe bit ever happened...No corale is going to do that unless your standing there on it. I suggest the victim saw it, thought it was pretty [he probably had a ball python as a kid].../picked it up & got nipped. Last LD50 I saw indicated corales are somewhere like 9x the virulence of a cobra...good thing they cant inject it too easily or deeply!
Sounds to me like you got lucky too...surviving a Diadophis bite!

LarryF Jul 02, 2005 09:54 AM

Actually, the LD50 is a bit weaker than the weakest true cobra and close to 10X WEAKER than the strongest (water cobras). Also keep in mind the relatively small glands.

Other than that, I tend to agree, although it might sit and bite his shoe if he were standing on the back end of the snake at the time.

Coral fangs

djs27 Jul 02, 2005 12:44 PM

This really bad coral snake info came from an article with an Associated Press header. Does that mean that the people at this paper (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050630/APN/506301145) didn't write any of it? I hate to see stuff like that coming from AP...

Greg Longhurst Jul 02, 2005 02:24 PM

Why the surprise? Reporters used to be paid & required to check facts. That is no longer the case. Not even at AP.

~~Greg~~

Jeanin Jul 03, 2005 11:27 AM

Thats SO TRUE. I did my internship at a local "news" paper when I was in college and facts to some extent mean NOTHING. As you can tell by my writing,punctuation,etc I didnt last lol.
Tabloid trash is what sells. I dont keep nor would I keep coral snakes but was reading the story and came in this forum. I do think its disgusting how these snakes ESP around my town (Florida) are killed on sight. Thankfully they are secretive.

Jeanin

Greg Longhurst Jul 03, 2005 12:27 PM

Jeanin: In case you haven't seen it, check out my site. Since you are in Florida, it may be of use to you or your neighbors at some point.

~~Greg~~
The Venomous Snakes of Florida

Jeanin Jul 03, 2005 04:40 PM

Thanks for the site. I allways thought that sucking the bite/wound was no longer used and just a movie type of thing.
My grandma has either scarlet king or coral snake that lives in her greenhouse once in a blue moon she catches a glimpse of it when she goes in than its quickly goes underground.
The greenhouse is loaded with skinks. I dont know if a scarlet king and a coral snake can live in same area as they both eat snakes so I imagine its one or the other.

Jeanin

Greg Longhurst Jul 03, 2005 09:50 PM

Suction..without cutting..is one of the things that can be done during transport that may not do any good, but will do no harm.

Both Micrurus & Lampropeltis feed on skinks as well as snakes. It could be either. Have her try to see the color pattern next blue moon.

~~Greg~~

Jeanin Jul 08, 2005 03:24 AM

Lol my grandma runs when she sees it but she has described the colors thats why I imagine coral or scarlet. I hope scarlet since it seems to live in the green house.

regalringneck Jul 02, 2005 07:25 PM

...thnx for posting it. I have a DoR Micruroides in the freezer....Id like to get a 40x jpg-shot of its mouth too.
I cut n pasted your jpgs into a single collage, again thankyou.

Heres where I got my info..the first value is the venom yield, the 2nd the estimate to kill a human...it appears the corales are as virulent as any....ck out how hot the mojave is too...yikes!

Venom Strength Comparison

NAME OF SNAKE

QUANTITY VENOM DELIVERED
LETHAL HUMAN DOSE

VARIOUS COBRAS

150-350 mg
18-45 mg

VARIOUS SEA SNAKES

1-15 mg
2-4mg

INDIAN KRAIT

8-20 mg
3 mg

EASTERN CORAL SNAKE

3-5 mg
4 mg

TIGER SNAKE

35-65 mg
3 mg

AUSTRALIAN BROWN SNAKE

5-10 mg
3 mg

MAMBAS

6-100 mg
12-15 mg

PUFF ADDER

160-200 mg
95 mg

GABOON VIPER

450-600 mg
180? mg

AMERICAN COPPERHEAD

40-70 mg
100 mg

COTTONMOUTH MOCCASIN

100-150 mg
125 mg

RATTLESNAKES

EASTERN DIAMONDBACK

400-700 mg
100 mg

WESTERN DIAMONDBACK

200-300 mg
100 mg

TIMBER

100-150 mg
75 mg

MOJAVE

50-90 mg
15 mg

BUSHMASTER

200-400 mg
150 mg

LarryF Jul 03, 2005 12:12 AM

I assume you got this chart from here, correct?
http://www.cobras.org/cob_3.htm

If so, I hate to knock the guy, but he doesn't seem terribly knoledgable about snakes. A fair amount of the "facts" on some of his pages are suspect to obviously wrong (for instance, he says male king cobras AVERAGE 18 feet), and he gives no references.

I don't have any credible info on HUMAN LD myself, and the only other web site I found that gave a number said 5-10mg for the coral and gave an expired news article as it's source (I think we know how likely that is to be accurate).

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