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Off topic food for thought...

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 08:26 AM

OK, I don't want to spark off a long argument here like has happened in the past. But, I found this one interesting, and I know some of you will too:

An interesting and thought provoking piece, rather than amusing. A bit long winded though.

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass
destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll
find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use
in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those
weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those
weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those
weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein
was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another
country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his
country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate
gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.
People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China
is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are
sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other
hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some
laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and
started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become
capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam
Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is
our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he
helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off
people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars
back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing
opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban
would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing
flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off
for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off
people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy
that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not
comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet
fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her
eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of
patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are
our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were
from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very
bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion
of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French
fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked
the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an
enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can
profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war
is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him
what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because
George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Replies (134)

LindaH Jul 15, 2003 08:55 AM

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cory_b Jul 15, 2003 11:22 AM

it is totally slanted, and totally inappropriate for this forum. you know better.

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 11:25 AM

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 12:46 PM

The propaganda is slanted? Or your views?

This is an open forum, where people share views on topics, not always about boas. If you disagree with what is said, fair enough. I won't be personally offended. I didn't write the piece. If there are any blazingly obvious errors in the piece, feel free to highlight them. If the piece is simply close to the bone, I suggest YOU should know better and remain silent.

People are continuing to die. That is a fact. That is wrong. Iraq has a new leader. And it is no more free than before. In fact it is now led by people who don't understand their culture.

Freedom of speech. Isn't that what the USA is famous for? Why should people who disagree with what's going on remain silent? True, it'll make no difference, but then they shouldn't have to remain silent.

Like I said, the post was merely meant as food for thought. We all know the arguments for and against. Unfortunately the situation is worsening. We shouldn't let it disappear from our minds.
Troops to stay indefinately

terdball Jul 15, 2003 01:11 PM

There are forums in other places for this topic. It doesn't belong here. After reading that ridiculous post, I can only assume that someone very uneducated and immature wrote it. Perhaps your tune would be different had you lost someone close in the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps you should let Saddam or Usama stay at your place til they get back on their feet. What say you??? You should be ashamed of yourself.

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 01:13 PM

Open forum? I hate to break it to you, but this forum was created so that individuals could discuss things relating to BOAS. We all know what happens when a person comes to this forum with a poilitcal axe to grind... the board fills up with heated debate. People get pissed, feelings get hurt, participants stop coming to kingsnake, etc. If you want to discuss politics I suggest you use the OPEN FORUM to discuss controversial topics. I am not against free speech, and I can appreciate opinions that might contradict my own views. I will leave it at that.

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 03:49 PM

I hate to correct you, but in the last few weeks I have seen discussions about bikes, tatoos, new born children etc. etc., so please, don't tell me we ONLY talk about boas here!

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 05:36 PM

You know as well as I do that those posts were overlooked because they were harmless and their intentions were innocent. Your post, on the other hand, pushed a eurotrash agenda, and that's not cool. Just look at what you have done. How would you like me to come on here and start preaching the Bible? Is that inherently bad? No, but there is a time and place for it, and it isn't on the BOA forum.

TMichael Jul 15, 2003 01:18 PM

WHAT SHOULD NOT DISAPPEAR FROM OUR MINDS IS SEPTEMBER 11. IF YOU DO NOT THINK THERE IS A CONNECTION SO BE IT. I FOR ONE DO BELIEVE THERE IS A VERY STRONG CONNECTION.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 01:20 PM

Nail on the head. bravo!!!

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 03:53 PM

Jesus, you lot are naiive fools. Keep believing you are in the right. You obviously have no idea. Do you think the people who did it, did it for fun? Address the questions, someone has to...

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:08 PM

So let me get this straight. It's okay for you to believe that you are right, but it's wrong for others who don't agree with your ridiculous verbal diarrhea to think that they are right. Hmmm...how provocative.

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:32 PM

I'm not saying I am right. Nor did I say I was the author of that piece. I am not. If you HONESTLY think you (i.e. the US)have eradicated the risk of terrorism then so be it. I hope that could be the case. The sad truth is, you haven't. And, many would agree with me that the risk is now higher than ever before.

anyway......you can argue the greatness of the US until you are blue in the face, it doesn't convince those with an objective outlook on things!

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 06:43 PM

but the people planning the next attack probably know that they will be caught and punished. Should we just ignore terrorism/antiamericanism and let our enemies trample us into the ground? In the world we live in, the stakes are very high. Nuclear technology sets the stage. It is common knowledge that Saddam had a desire (and a program) to develop nuclear weapons. Forget the fact that he had not yet built a weapon, that is totally irrelevant. What IS relevant, is that he wanted them, and if we study his track record, we can conclude that eventually he would have used them either on his neighbors or on us. People ask "Why didn't Clinton do anything about Bin Laden?". We knew that Al Qaeda was a threat to America, and yet we did nothing. Why did we do nothing? Because the world would lash out at us if we took the matter into our own hands. Bush learned from this episode, and actually applied what he learned. Can you imagine what the entire world would ask if the USA allowed Saddam to develop a nuclear warhead and then he used it on someone? Bush, or whoever happened to be in power, would be blamed for nuking millions of people. I bet YOU would blame the USA for it as well. So what should we do? Huh? Since you have all the answers to humanities problems (and are so quick to condemn others for their actions), please enlighten us with your great european wisdom. Don't publish someone else's half baked ideas... give us your own since you seem to be such a sophisticated and free-thinking individual. Admit it, no matter what the USA has done or will do in the future, you will always disagree. I personally think that some of you Europeans (not all) are simply envious, and a bit afraid, of the US's power and success.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 07:15 PM

No matter what Bush does, the Bush-bashers agenda will have them looking for flaws that aren't there. Whether European or American, these spineless crybabies , unfortunately, are being protected, BY BUSH, even as they blather.

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 01:56 AM

Protected by Bush? You fool. You naiive fool!

terdball Jul 15, 2003 07:15 PM

Nice job!
Let's not lose sight of the fact that terrorists are now on defense, not offense. The leaders of these terrorist "networks" have been crippled, thus crippling the networks themselves and perhaps thwarting attacks on us (and other countries) that were most likely already in the works. Who knows how many lives we've saved already. Once again, on behalf of the president...YOU'RE ALL WELCOME!!!

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 01:55 AM

Listen, I don't want to get dragged into a discussion which will never end. Actually, I am not so ignorant to think that all the US does is wrong. If you think that, YOU are ignorant.

I think the problem with that post was that it was too close to the truth. I can think of numerous examples of how the US has treated the world like pawns in the past. And yet, it feels superior. Which is fine, because most people outside the US respect its economical prowess, but disagree with the way it acts on the world stage. Things that are OK one minute, aren't the next.

You have to realise that every act of terrorism doesn't simply happen. People don't just hate the US governement for no reason you know. Why do you think there are still uprisings in Iraq. And don't believe all you hear on your news. Because it is biased, and most in the media field would agree. US troops are treating Iraqi civilians like animals (shouldn't). They speak to them in English and expect a response. They enter their houses with dogs. They DO NOT respect their culture. The Iraqi's hare no freer than before. In fact, many would say the situation is worse. People do not receive wages. There is no water. Disease is rife. Is there any view to US troops leaving Iraq. No. Funny that.

Nuclear weapons. The only people to ever use them in a conflict is the US. But that seems to be OK. It is NOT! Just because YOU used them, doesn't make it acceptable. The US alone has more nuclear weapons to bring our beautiful earth to dust. But that is fine. And, worse still, they still want to develop more!?!?!? You tell me!

International agreements. If Someone like Saddam doesn't do what the US says, it is invaded. But, if the US doesn't agree to treaties, it's OK. Cluster bombs. Naaaahhh, the US is fine to use them. Biodiversity. What is that? Looking after the environment? Sorry, my gas guzzling Hummer is too loud, I cannot hear you!

You have treated the French and Germans like Dog excrement. Why? Well, because they didn't agree with you. Is that right?

Biological and chemical weapons. Ask the Chinese how they feel about the US. Were they kept in concentration camps just as the Jews were? Yes. Were they treat like pieces of meat, by the Japanese, yes. Were war crimes commited? Many, probably just as many as were by the Nazi's. So why weren't any of the Japanese bigwigs trialed for this? They used Chem/bio weapons on people, used them experiments, they were guinea pigs. Ahhh, hold on, the US signed an agreement to receive all the secrets and scientists, and go on to develop the weapons which they then sold to other countries. They have them themselves. Why? I don't know. Why is OK for the US to use them (theoretically)? If I sell you a gun, and you shoot someone, I would feel responsible. Get my point?

Personally, my biggest gripe with the US is on the environmental front (don't get me started on that one). Nobody is perfect, but wow, you guys know how to take the piss!

Ohh Jesus, I don't know why I bothered starting this thread. America is a great place with some great people. But it shocks the world how brainwashed some of you are. Try to be more objective. Look at the evidence. Look at recent history. Look at patterns. You WILL learn something if you open your eyes and mind.

Start treating Cuba with respect. Give the prisoners a trial and if they're guilty, do something. But don't keep innocent people indefinately without a trial. And then, get out of Cuba altogether, and begin trade. Hey, why not. Be friendly. Nothing has resulted from how you have treated them, in fact the situation is worse. Change it. Change how you treat the Colombians. They are not consuming the drugs, they shouldn't be considered as the evil ones. Invariably they are poor people living in the forest simply making a life for themsleves and their family. They are simply growing a plant for some idiots that are willing to buy it. Tackle YOUR problem, and release the embargos with Colombia.Treat the middle east with respect. If there is a problem to sort out, then it is clear to everyone that it lies in Palestine. People who have lost their homes and lands, and yet are treated simply as terrorists when they defend themselves. they are in a corner, what can you expect. Get out of Iraq. They are capable of running their own country, they are not fools. You are not superior. But, you have destroyed the place, help rebuild it. Stop abusing the environment. It is here for everyone, not for you to abuse. Rainforests aren't a tool for you to play with. The atmosphere isn't there to destroy.

I could go on and on and on. But I know it will make NO difference to you and others. To me it is simple why 9/11 happened. And, it should NEVER happen again. And yet, the way the US continues on the world stage, it will.

People aren't scared of you, that is the problem.

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 08:37 AM

As expected, you've got no solutions of your own to offer - only criticisms. And please stop mentioning how you don't want to fuel a huge thread, because you've done nothing but start a fire and you continue to throw gasoline on it. By the way, are you ever going to muster up the courage to reveal where you are from, or are you that afraid to hear the criticisms that might follow? One more thing Mr. Compassion, if you are THAT concerned with how the poor Iraqi people are being mistreated, surely you must be in the Red Cross or some other organization that is providing assistance to the Iraqi people as we speak. Or are you just acting the part?

scalawag

sauzin Jul 15, 2003 01:54 PM

I think I will remember 9/11 by trying NOT to kill people, destroy people's homes, and attack in the name of a God/politics/and a culture differnt from my own.

Every pissed off reply you see here is a man or woman afraid of the implications of the truth.

-Sauzin

terdball Jul 15, 2003 02:04 PM

Maybe you don't mind letting people walk all over you, but I feel safer now than I did when the 9/11 attack took place. Had we done nothing, this country would eventually turn into a desolate crater. I thank God that weaklings like you aren't running the country.

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 03:57 PM

What happened happened because of how your government treats the rest of the world. Double standards, hipocrasy...such words spring to mind.

Through attacking Iraq you have killed thousands of innocent people. Many more continue to die. Many more US soldiers will die. Innocent Iraqi's will be taken to Cuba, and treat worse than animals. Cuba. What a joke. How the US dare to maintain a base in Cuba is beyond the rest of the world. If the people are innocent, it doesn't matter.

Bullies, led by fools. I'm sorry, but terrorism cannot be treat by further violence. Look at Palestine.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:11 PM

AAhhh, it's becoming clear. "YOUR GOVERNMENT"? Where do you live?

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:52 PM

France perhaps?

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:52 PM

France perhaps?

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 05:39 PM

"Bullies led by fools"? And how about YOU and your fabulous country? YOU are the guy who doesn't have the courage to reveal what that pathetic country is. You take cheap shots at the USA, but you refuse to give us an example of how a really perfect country operates. Please step up to the plate here and tell us what perfect country you are from so that we (the USA) can strive to be just like YOU and your perfect country.

scalawag

PS, Please don't bother responding if you are from France or Canada.

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 02:08 PM

Please tell me, where can I find the truth? In that condescending piece that herpconsultants posted? If the the truth is a contrived conversation between a "child" and a concerned leftist who can only spew off one-sided HALF TRUTHS... then I'm not afraid... I'm disgusted.

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 03:59 PM

Where are the half truths just out of interest?

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 05:25 PM

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pinatamonkey Jul 15, 2003 02:10 PM

You can think whatever you want, but the fact remains there is very little evidence to connect what happened with Iraq. Certainly not enough to use it as a rally cry when invading another country.
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scalawag Jul 15, 2003 08:46 PM

Do you forget that Iraq invaded Kuwait? Or doesn't that bother you at all? The connection between 9/11 and the US "invading" Iraq is simple. The US declared war on terrorism. Saddam was a terrorist. Also, one wealthy monkey (UBL) showed another wealthy monkey (Saddam) how the US was vulnerable. Bush did't sit back and wait to see what that other monkey might do to us and thank you Bush! You must have to work extremely hard not to see that connection. You obviously don't want to recognize the "evidence".

scalawag

terdball Jul 15, 2003 08:54 PM

Once again, on behalf of the president...YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

Paul2 Jul 16, 2003 03:43 AM

What evidence do you have of that? No real link has yet been found to WMD's, or to Al Quida (or other terrorist groups that operate on forigen soil).
While I fully support attacking Iraq in the abstract (constantly firing at US and British jets in the no fly zone is reason enough, to me), I despise the way the Bush admin sold the war--and I highly doubt Bush's motives were anything nearly so moral/clear cut. Maybe I'm just suspicious of politicans on both sides.

Paul

terdball Jul 15, 2003 01:00 PM

Nicely put!

KeoniKoch Jul 15, 2003 01:21 PM

There is a big difference between prop and truth. People that dont question who they blindly follow put many others at great risk. This is a America, here we can say what we like.
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cory_b Jul 15, 2003 01:33 PM

propaganda: the spreading of ideas or information to further or damage a cause.

If you cannot recognise this post as propaganda, then I suggest you enroll in a history course that delves deep into the psychology of communism and fascism. Once you have learned about the various forms of propaganda that Stalin, Hitler, and many other tyrants have issued, then maybe you can laugh. Until then laugh, but realise that others my be laughing for another reason.

Herpconsultants post was clever, but you cannot explain world politics in baby language. It is humorous, I admit, but ineffective as a valid argument. It just makes the author look silly. Ok seriously, this is my last post in regard to this subject. See what I mean?

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:04 PM

If you want to talk about propaganda, you're looking at the wrong man! Ask Blair/Bush, they know all about it. Ask the Iraqi people.

I knew this would happen, because I have seen it before. If I had pasted that elswhere in the world the response would have been so different.

I'm not sitting anywhere on the fence or suggesting anything. I just thought some of the truths in that post were interesting, and like Linda said, thought provoking. Whatever, rest in your self-righteous peace.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:19 PM

I like to refer to it as "self righteous FREEDOM".

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:26 PM

Mmmmmmm

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:29 PM

Where are you from???

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:34 PM

Why should it make any difference? There are millions worldwide, and millions in the US that agree with me. Where are you from?

terdball Jul 15, 2003 04:39 PM

The U.S.A. I've asked you in two seperate posts where you are from. You must be embarrassed. Sorry I asked.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 04:46 PM

Sorry to break the news but ONE MILLION PEOPLE CAN BE JUST AS WRONG AS ONE!

As an American I can only say that I'm happy that you and the people from whatever lowly third world country you are from are disappointed with the USA.

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 04:06 AM

Lowly third world country? I would say if you took a vote, the VAST majority of people would be on my side here. That, my friend is the nature of the problem we have here. You're just too blind to see it. So many people cannot ALL be wrong!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 08:42 AM

"So many people cannot ALL be wrong", you say? How many Germans were ALL wrong in WW II? You are just as wrong here, and, once again what lowly third world country are you from?

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 03:29 PM

Millions worldwide agree with me. And I'm from England you bloody bafoon. And being third world doesn't make a country lowly. Crawl back into your caravan! Didn't realise they had phone lines in trailor parks!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 03:41 PM

You are right, third world doesn't make a country lowly. It's people like you that make it lowly! Get it sweet pants?

scalawag

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 07:43 PM

Please do! Go elswhere in the world with your piece (of crap) and do the circle jerk with your socialist buddies.

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:05 PM

If you want to talk about propaganda, you're looking at the wrong man! Ask Blair/Bush, they know all about it. Ask the Iraqi people.

I knew this would happen, because I have seen it before. If I had pasted that elswhere in the world the response would have been so different.

I'm not sitting anywhere on the fence or suggesting anything. I just thought some of the truths in that post were interesting, and like Linda said, thought provoking. Whatever, rest in your self-righteous peace.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 05:16 PM

My only thought was digust. You are not from the USA (hooray) and you've conveyed your contempt for the USA by hiding behind someone else's "piece" (piece of crap). So don't pretend that you just threw this out there for intellectual discussion ("food for thought". Your mind is clearly made up and we get your message that you hate the USA. Good for you! Now please just go away!

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 01:58 AM

I don't hate anyone actually, and I lead a peaceful life. I actually love the US, so you are wildly off the mark!

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:04 AM

Could you possibly be any more of a hypocrite?

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 08:48 AM

Maybe you should take a good hard look at the garbage you've spewed about the US before you make the ridiculous claim that YOU "love the US". You can't have your cake and eat it too. The fact that you attempt to play both sides of the fence only weakens your already weak arguments. YOU are the last person that should make such a claim.

scalawag

PS, What planet are you from?

terdball Jul 15, 2003 01:58 PM

If anyone blindly follows your reasoning, this country will be in big trouble. All of the freedoms that this country provides you with were fought for, including the freedom of being able to safely board a plane without having to worry about the people you support(terrorists) using it as a bomb. How many terrorist acts have occurred since 9/11? Let me answer that...NONE! On behalf of the president(you know, the one that finished what the other one wouldn't)...YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

pinatamonkey Jul 15, 2003 02:20 PM

>>>How many terrorist acts have occurred since 9/11? Let me answer that...NONE!

How many terrorist attacks in the US happened prior to 9/11? It's not like it was a yearly occurance. It hasn't been long enough to judge whether anything has changed. Maybe if there isn't any in the next 20 years you can say we've made a difference.
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cory_b Jul 15, 2003 02:23 PM

Are you serious?

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 05:53 PM

So it's going to take you 20 years to admit your are wrong?

scalawag

pinatamonkey Jul 15, 2003 07:22 PM

>>So it's going to take you 20 years to admit your are wrong?
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>>scalawag

Wrong about what, exactly? All I said is that there is not enough evidence to say that the government's actions have reduced terrorism. They very well might have, but unless there are specific cases that can be pointed to as having been prevented, or over a longer term, a general downward trend in the number of sucessful attacks, I cannot say with confidence that the measures are working. I'm not saying it isn't working, either, for that matter.

As an analogy, say you have a computer. Every couple of weeks it crashes to the point where you need to manually reboot. (Let's say, a large-scale attack) More often, every couple of days, a program freezes. (shooting, bombing, etc., on a small scale) So, after researching, you think you know what the problem is and you try to fix it. A day and a half after you try your 'fix', it still hasn't had any problems. That's good, but at this point you can't say for sure whether the problem has been resolved or not.
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scalawag Jul 15, 2003 08:35 PM

Trivializing the effects of terrorism (like the 9/11 tradgedy) by comparing it to the pain of having to reboot your computer doesn't help your argument very much. After 9/11, the overwhelming feeling of national vulnerability was undeniable. Bush vowed to terrorize the terrorists and everyone in this country was happy to hear that. Bush's start to "fixing the problem" of terrorism was to take Osama Bin Laden out of the picture. Bush didn't have the luxury of 20 years of hindsight to know whether he made the right decision, but doesn't common sense give you the answer? Saddam was next , because he was a known terrorist, and didn't Bush claim from the start that he was not going to stop until terrorism was removed from the world? Do you have more peace of mind today knowing that terrorists are running from us, or did you enjoy that feeling of vulnerability on 9/11? Do you really need 20 years of evidence before you support Bush? Terrorists are violent animals. Unfortunately, violence is the only "fix to the problem". Bush could have just ignored the "problem" of 9/11. Do you need 20 years to realize that, if he did ignore it, "the government's actions DIDN"T reduce terrorism"?

scalawag

terdball Jul 15, 2003 08:52 PM

When you run for office, you can count on my vote!

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 04:09 AM

Bush didn't know where Bin Laden was then and doesn't now! He IS NOT out of the picture. Just like Saddam. But, these two people are simply figureheads for a whole feeling across the middle-east. Why is there this feeling? It is SUCH a simple Q, why can't you see this!?

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:19 AM

Yeah, I guess you're right. Usama and Saddam have a much better life now than they did before we attacked them. They live in the finest of posh caves and dine on the finest foods, lol. Surely their terrorist networks are stronger than ever and look up to them more than ever in light of the great job they've done defeating us. Get a grip, idiot!

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 07:00 AM

You have it, your government has it. If you think the risk has been eliminated, then good on you! You have made it a hell of a lot worse.

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 08:58 AM

Now terrorists will think twice (more like 10 times) before they F&^% with us. Get it nit wit? That's just how we want it. It's plain to see that you would love to see America weak, like yourself. But don't count on seeing that in your lifetime. Ha Ha!

scalawag

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 08:54 AM

Bin Laden is long-gone. I'm sorry to break the news to you. No doubt, you are obviously a fan of his. I hope that you have, at least. the minimum brain capacity not to base your belief (hope) that he's still alive on those cartoonish, boot-leg tapes that have been circulated. Anyhow, where's he at smart guy, since you speak with such confidence?

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:08 PM

You really follow world news don't you!?!?!?!?

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 04:07 AM

All of the safefty the US provides US with???? Please!!!!!!!!!! You are a bloody idiot!

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:20 AM

Where are you from???

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 09:03 AM

Although the vain people of Kuwait don't posess the character to thank the US, we did throw Saddam out of their country when he INVADED them. Inother words, the US protected them. Get it fool? If you want to ignore any and all other instances where the US did similar acts for other countries, then that's YOUR problem. You lack the credibility to make any good points here. Where are YOU from?

scalawag

Boid149 Jul 16, 2003 02:04 PM

There are more than just Americans that use these forums. Please be aware of that.

Boid149 Jul 16, 2003 02:07 PM

n/p

Boid149 Jul 16, 2003 02:09 PM

n/p

tcdrover Jul 15, 2003 03:06 PM

The easily led are easily led astray.

herpconsultants2 Jul 15, 2003 04:06 PM

The world has noticed!

cory_b Jul 15, 2003 05:13 PM

;

mrci Jul 15, 2003 06:04 PM

But was making the contrary observation that the world has noticed what a bunch of sheep the U.S. populace is.

tcdrover Jul 15, 2003 05:19 PM

The world has noticed?? Are you referring to the Disney Channel
or the cartoon network?

I think it's naive to look at our current world with absolutely
no understanding of history or politics and to pass judgement.

I know you won't agree with this, but try and consider that those
who pretend to be protecting you from the big bad president, also
have their interests in mind, and those interests may not be as
moral or ethical as you have so easily been led to believe.

If you have an interest in history and politics then read and
research, but don't let the self serving liberal media form
your opinions for you.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 06:02 PM

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed – and thus clamorous to be led to safety – by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

--- H.L. Mencken

Amazingly, polls show a majority of the populace (80-some percent at one point) actually believes one or more 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. What a bunch of ignorant sheep.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 08:58 PM

D id any of the hijackers share your nationality? Oooh, that's gonna' leave a mark.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:26 PM

As far as I know, none were Americans, no.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 09:10 PM

80% of Americans thought the hijackers were Iraqi. By the way braniac, it didn't really matter what country they were from. They were terrorists, and this is a war on terrorism.

America is strong and we don't behave like sheep, like you and your fellow countrymen probably do. Your resentment toward this country is obvious and ha ha! I take pleasure in your resentment.

scalawag

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:25 PM

Goes to show what you know, moron. I'm an American.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 09:30 PM

You are no American! You are as Anti-American as it gets. You should go live in the Middle east. Weaklings like you don't belong here.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:33 PM

That's all you've got, eh? Love it or leave it. If you don't agree with me, you must not be an American.

Man, you're quite the original thinker. Very impressive.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 09:40 PM

I just don't think that you deserve the freedoms that only this country offers and has fought to provide for so many years. I would love to see you spew your garbage to the face of just one soldier who has or is fighting for the very freedoms you spit on. You should be ashamed of yourself.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:45 PM

And I couldn't possibly have less interest in what freedoms you think I should or shouldn't have. Just so you know.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 09:35 PM

It goes to show that it doesn't matter to me whether you live in or outside of the US if you are anti-American. To me you are not American, sorry moron. Are you a government cheese-loving overweight, unemployed welfare fraud by any chance?

scalawag

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:38 PM

>>> To me you are not American, sorry moron.

I'm quite happy to be considered not American by the likes of you.

>>> Are you a government cheese-loving overweight, unemployed welfare fraud by any chance?

Wrong on all four counts. Are you a child-molesting neo-nazi0 rvert by any chance?

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 09:56 PM

pants on fire!

scalawag

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 04:49 PM

If a wealthy terrorist like Osama Bin Laden was capable of masterminding 9/11, then so was a wealthy terrorist like Saddam. Thankfully, Bush realized this and removed any potential threat to the USA by taking that piece of $hit out! Forget about "where are the weapons of mass destruction?". Saddam WAS the WMD and we no longer have to worry about HIM masterminding another 9/11. Thank you Bush!

The USA is a free country because of guys like Bush. I'm neither a democrat of a republican, but I have the utmost respect and gratitude for how Bush handled 9/11. YOU obviously have a big problem with the USA, and I hope that, whatever self-righteous country you are from, YOU STAY THERE! And, please, don't come running to us (the USA) for help if some wealthy terrorist decides to blow up thousands of your people.

scalawag

terdball Jul 15, 2003 05:07 PM

Scalawag for president!!! Bravo!

mrci Jul 15, 2003 05:55 PM

>>> The USA is a free country because of guys like Bush.

Damn right -- when things got tough he was right there, defending the skies of Texas against the Vietnamese!

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 06:33 PM

Yeah, and what were You doing?

scalawag

mrci Jul 15, 2003 06:46 PM

Attending elementary school, as if it has any relevance whatsoever to the fact that Bush was a privileged rich boy who pulled every string he could not to go to war and therefore let some poor kid die in his place. (And then couldn't be bothered to show up for his National Guard job).

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 06:54 PM

Unfortunately, Bush protects even the whinny bleeding heart america-haters like you.

scalawag

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:28 PM

That coward couldn't protect a little girl from the schoolyard bully. He'd use his connections to be elsewhere, in another part of the schoolyard that wasn't quite so dangerous.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 09:44 PM

That "coward" is responsible for USB and Saddam being turned into dust. I'd like to see you go ahead and f%$& with him. By the way, you are right, Bush probably wouldn't want to protect a whinny little school girl, like yourself, from the bully. I stand corrected.

scalawag

mrci Jul 15, 2003 09:46 PM

Actually it seems to me that the troops are responsible for Saddam being turned to dust, if in fact he has been.

Bush, as I mentioned early, is responsible for Texas not having been invaded by Viet Nam.

terdball Jul 15, 2003 09:55 PM

Funny you don't mention that Saddam and Usama never do their own "dirty work". When they do get in the line of fire, they hide behind civilians or hide in deep caves. Oh, and did I mention they torture and slaughter their own people over there. I can see how you could easily be persuaded into thinking we did the wrong thing, lol. You are truely pathetic.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 11:09 PM

>> You are truely (sic) pathetic.

And you are *truly* semiliterate.

You know, you'd think people who can't spell common 5-letter words would, when their lack of education is pointed out to them, think to themselves "Yeah, I guess I am a complete moron and have no business debating anybody about anything." However, it never seems to work that way.

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:24 AM

OOh boy, you got me good there! I spelled a word wrong. I must be a complete moron! Come on jagov, is that the best you've got?

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 10:01 PM

And who do you think might be responsible for the troops jackass? Don't strain your brain cell trying to figure this one out.

scalawag

PS how did you get sooooo hung up on the Texas thing? Get a grip.

mrci Jul 15, 2003 11:04 PM

Responsible for the troops? Uh, Idunno. If you mean sitting on his ass in Washington (or Texas), I guess that would be Bush.

So I'm "hung up" on the Texas thing, huh? I guess I should have brought up his vanishing act on 9/11 instead.

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:27 AM

Talk about blind and misguided.

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 09:10 AM

Obiously Bush can't part his hair right with you. Did you lose your job and you blame Bush? Do you blame him for all of YOUR hang-ups? Do you have the guts to give us YOUR solution to 9/11 so that YOU can be criticized? Or would you like to see American weak, like the other oatmeal-for-brains Bush-haters posting here?

scalawag

H+E Stoeckl Jul 15, 2003 05:42 PM

I must admit that I had got the impression in the past that many of the U.S. citizens are disabling their brains when the government calls and march behind the flag like the Germans did it back in 1933.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to compare the Hitler regime with the U.S. government (not at all!), I just want to compare the lack of critical judgement regarding the decisions of the persons who rule the country.

This posting showed me that there are people in the U.S. who are thinking and utter their critical thoughts. And I am glad about it. I believe that the government in the U.S. is doing a good job in manipulating its citizens by using an exaggerated national pride. And the government it doing this good job for a long time now.

Meanwhile the dumbest should have noticed that the war on Iraq was

a) unjustified

b) a grave mistake

Let me predict that a lot of U.S. soldiers will leave this country in caskets until the next U.S. president (or the one after the next) decides to leave Iraq finally and let it happen that the Mullahs (or again Saddam) take over.

As a last note I find it rather impudent to create the whole mess and then ask the countries which was opposed to the war and warned of the possible consequences (like France and Germany) to send soldiers now to help cleaning the mess (which is impossible, as you'll live to see).
Boa constrictor

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terdball Jul 15, 2003 06:20 PM

What took ya' so long, Mr.IwishIlivedsomewhereotherthanmysuckasscountry? There is nothing "unjustified" about wanting to protect the U.S. citizens from another terrorist attack. It is painfully obvious that you are very jealous of our great country. By the way, we all know that France and Germany had their own sneaky little ulterior motives for not wanting to attack Iraq. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 06:23 PM

As a German brainwashed to resent the USA, why would you have anything sensible to add here? If Germany suffers a terroristic attack in the future, we'll see how your self-rightous tone changes. Next time you use "the US government" and "Hitler" in the same sentence, please try hard (with your own disabled brain) to understand the true connection: it was the US government that took him out. Your welcome Stoeckl! Heil Bush! And Ha ha!

scalawag

PS I'm a US citizen and I happy Saddam is gone. Now go ahead and attempt to tell me that I was manipulated!

H+E Stoeckl Jul 16, 2003 08:47 PM

we used to be plagued by terrorism at a time when you don't even knew what this word means. Beginning in the late 60ies and the terrorism found its peak in 1977 when a plane has been hijacked in Mogadischu (english spelling?).

You are the perfect example of the U.S. citizen I wrote about.
And I offer you a bet:

Facing the loss of so many soldiers in Iraq the next president of the U.S. (or the one after) will order the troops to leave and come back (as it had happened in Vietnam).

This whole mess will be in vain. You will live to see.
Boa constrictor

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scalawag Jul 16, 2003 09:36 PM

Don't you just wish the US fails Stoeckl. Jealousy will get you nowhere. We've already succeeded in Iraq, because nobody who lives there now will be terrorizing the US anytime soon. Your prediction that the Iraqi's will claim 300 US troops per year on simply YOUR WISHFUL THINKING. And yes, the US troops will eventually be pulled out of Iraq, just like Bush said, when the time comes. Ha Ha Stoeckl, you and your petty grudge against the US cannot stop us from being successful. You are so vain!

scalawag

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 07:57 PM

Bush threw you (Germany) and that other pathetic country (France) a "bone" regarding the "clean-up" in Iraq. That was a political decision that we (true Americans) unfortunately have to live with. Off the record Stoeckl, nobody wants your (Germany)help. Germany and France have nothing to offer. Your envy of the USA prevents any reasonable discussion about what how we (the US) defended ourselves. Keep on rooting for as many casualties as possible in the post-war Stoeckl so that you can can continue to blather about how wrong the US is, was, and will be. Can you say "BRAINWASHED"?

scalawag

PBM Jul 15, 2003 05:46 PM

Q-Daddy, why did all those people die on September 11th?
Q-Daddy, why do americans still feel the need to kiss every butt that comes to our shores?
Q-Daddy, Why do I need to speak a FOREIGN language to get a job?
Q-Daddy, why do americans accept what bad is done to their own people, yet speak out in multitudes when bad things are done to others?
Q-Daddy, does bringing up this crap in a boa forum really help anything?
Q-Daddy, can this topic go on back and forth until we're all blue in the face, and we would still not resolve ANYTHING?
Q-Daddy, if the original person posting this thread did not want to start an arguement, why would they post the things they did??????????????????

A-Son/daughter, I was too busy with my boas to hear anything you just asked me, I'm sure there's a better time and place for your questions. Let's get back to BOAS!

My own question in regards to not wanting to start any arguements.......Do you punch someone in the mouth before saying I don't want any trouble????

scalawag Jul 15, 2003 06:42 PM

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 04:12 AM

Funny what you say in your very last paragraph. That, my friend, is the problem. You have participated in this discussion so don't try and belittle others. A forum, a discussion. That's what this is. And the amount of posts clearly shows that some people ARE interested. Show me a thread larger than this on the KS forums in recent months!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 09:51 AM

PLEASE don't feel like YOU are some some sort of half-a$$ hero because of the size of this thread. The only thing you've accomplished is this: now everyone here knows what a moron you are.

scalawag

geeboo Jul 16, 2003 03:15 AM

If you had some crazy sadistic nut who was going to throw some bio or nuclear crap on your kids first chance or when he got it, living next door to you would you not try to remove him from the area. Who cares if they found weapons! Who cares if Iraq don't like it! Who cares if other countries don't like it! The damn looney cracker if he had any way of actually doing something to your country be it France,Germany etc. etc. especialy the USA (god Bless) he would do it! Maybe war was not the right way to go about it. I would have went in and just shot the tyrant right between the eyes and anybody behind him. Would have saved alot of time and trouble, but war is hell. We could not just do that it would be wrong so we all have to play this big political game that no person who is not in the top ranks of any position knows anything about because we are let known what they want us to know even here in America. It is not over oil, it is not over power it is about these dirty sneaking persons hiding in these desolate countries where the people cannot stand up fpr there own selves. If we would have told the United Nations to shove it up their kazoo clear back in world war 2 we would not be haveing this problem today. The reason we are haveing a full out war is because of all the other whinning sniveling countries who do not want to support anybody in anything that must be done in order to promote peace because they don't want to look bad and have somebody get them up the a** when it comes down. It bogs down the whole process of doing what MUST BE DONE. When we were hit from behind on 9/11 it was said that any country harboring or aiding in terrorist activity would basically be held reliable. I say if you have some cracker jack like Hussein,Laden or anybody else in your country and you know it and we say hey there they are you better be picking up your crap and getting out of the way. If you sneak up and crack me in the back of the head I don't care who's house your hiding in the doors will be nailed shut and hang on to your butt cause that babies getting burnt down. As far as the kids asking questions might as well tell'em up front that the world is a messed up place and thats the way it is. It ain't gonna get no better so get tough and stand your ground! Sorry for the rant but hey the worlds going to hell in a handbasket.
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terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:30 AM

Nicely put!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 09:54 AM

Well said!

scalawag

PS these guy really don't want to see the point.

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 10:44 AM

When are you going into Korea then? Because they HAVE threatened to use nuclear weapons against you, and do have them. Tell me how you feel about the Koreans, please

geeboo Jul 16, 2003 11:11 AM

being that by doing so is breaking all the laws that these sniveling UN people want to abide by I think it should be stopped A.S.A.P. China their next door neighbor should do the duty but since they are probally in on it too I guess we have no choice! Gotta get it under control before it starts. Their main objective is not for protection but to use it! They done already shoot their mouth off and threaten all the time now. What will they do when they have something to threaten with.
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herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 11:15 AM

Why not try to have peaceful relations with these people. To improve trade. To try and improve their environment. Etc etc. You don't have to fight everybody that has weapons, you have more than anyone as it is! It's not that I look at the world through rose tinted glasses, but how come the UK and the US can get on? Surely so can Korea and the US. As can the US and Iraq, and Afghanistan and the US. It's not ALL about fighting!!!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 12:54 PM

Try and hug the schoolyard bully knucklehead.

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 01:04 PM

Yeah right! You're a living joke!

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 02:06 PM

What's YOUR answer to terrorism Einstein? I know that you think that arrogance is the reason why 3,000 people got slaughtered on 9/11. I guess they had it coming for being arrogant? You need to slap yourself for being a scumbag.

Your solution to terrorism is that the US become less arrogant? I have to ask because you've certainly implied this. You finally mustered up the courage to say that you are from England (I understand your hesitation), but you still refuse to say how we should have responded to terrorism after 9/11. You've criticized Bush, now come out in the open and let's hear your solution. I know that violence is not an option so I can't wait to hear your creative brainstorm for dealing with the most violent animals on the planet.

scalawag

terdball Jul 16, 2003 03:57 PM

Why don't you shoot on over to the zoo and stick your hand in the lions' cage? See where I'm going with this, crenoid?

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:11 PM

Let's see how passive you are when some psycho flies a plane into your house. You are delusional.

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 01:04 PM

Maybe if we give them a hug they'll become civilized humanitarians. These thugs do have nuclear weapons, so they have the capacity that Saddam wanted. Obviously, the US has to approach this situation differently than Iraq. The Koreans do a lot of posturing. If and when the time comes, Bush won't be running the other way. I suppose that you have absolutely no solution just like you haven't offered one constructive thought to eliminate terrorism in general.

scalawag

herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 01:08 PM

Actually, read my post again. That IS constructive. Take Cuba for example. Where is it now, where is it going? Nowhere! Yet you stil have the sheer cheek to maintain a base on its soil! Start trading with them. Help them prosper. Give their people hope. See if the Cubans still hate you. They won't!

You see, that's constructive. As is talking with North Korea. Looking at peaceful solutions. Bringing them onto the world scene. Increasing trade with them. Putting more investment into the country. Creating college schoalrships in the US and Europe for its students. You see, constructive. Try and help manage their forests, not simply abuse them. CONSTRUCTIVE!!!!!!! Bombing, no, never. That is what civilised people would call DESTRUCTIVE.

geeboo Jul 16, 2003 01:37 PM

I agree 100% lets find a peacefull end to it all. Lets increase trade 200 fold it will help both our econimies. The only problem is nobody else wants to. North Korea has a one mind dominant goal to occupy south Korea. If you notice all the countries that do get along are not war like. The USA always give peace a chance but you only get 1 shot at it> I feel we have gave North Korea too many now they are just stalling for time. It is time to say "sh*t or get off the toilet". I am all for peace but we don't have our big weapons for picking on other countries for no real reason other than domination. We like to instal a good demecratic goverment when the smoke clears and give people a chance.
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herpconsultants2 Jul 16, 2003 03:33 PM

If you notice all the countries that do get along are not war like.
e.g. USA

I am all for peace but we don't have our big weapons for picking on other countries for no real reason other than domination. We like to instal a good demecratic (sic) goverment (sic)when the smoke clears and give people a chance.

Domination you say. You see why the rest of the world has a problem with your government. Ignorance is bliss. You do not dominate the world. You dominate North America.

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 03:50 PM

Our aim is not to "dominate". That would be Germany in the early 1940's. Our aim is to eliminate terrorism. Learn the difference. Our aim is to live in peace and have fun. Now I'm sure that in your socialistic England there's no a whole lot of fun to be had. Could this be the source of your extreme envy for the USA?

scalawag

scalawag Jul 16, 2003 02:19 PM

I get it now. Bush should have brought UBL and Saddam "onto the world scene". He should have "increased trade with them". He should have "put more investment into their countries". he should have "created college scholarships in the US and Europe for it's students". I get it - he should have been more constructive with these thugs! And I bet that if he "tried to help manage their forests" UBL and Saddam would have instantly turned into a couple of philanthropists? YOUR BRAIN IS DESTRUCTIVE!

scalawag

terdball Jul 16, 2003 04:08 PM

Why don't you personally have a chat with that insect nutball that rules North Korea and see what you can work out hotshot? I'm sure he'll welcome you with open arms.

terdball Jul 16, 2003 03:53 PM

We should squash them like a bug! NEXT!

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