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OK ya i know hes not a sissy for hiding cause thats what they do by nature. But he has ones of thos wood reets stacks with a hold in the bottom and he is in there just about all do if not all day. He might stick his head out in the morning to get a cricket or two but other then that... Hes back in there. He is a Ackie of about 4-5 weeks of age and seems to be eating well but i havnt seen him drink anything yet either. So thats Another reason im worried that hes in there allll day long. and i know that he'll get more used to me with age/time, and just being around him and feeding him and stuff but i havent even seen him bask at all yet its about 121F in the basking spot right now and 83 on the cool side. He does have an Under tank heater which is under the stack that he never somes out of. I know im probably just thinking to much about it but, i figured tha i would see what people on here have to say. I have had him for about 2 weeks now and m going to go get a PVC pipe and make a burroe for him today. I'm guessing im going to hear alot of just wait and he'll come around, hey it dosnt hurt to ask, thats what this fourm is for, ISNT IT? thanks.

Look you can ask all you want, but your asking the wrong group. Ask your lizard, it knows. You can also worry all you want, but don't expect others to worry too. And, its only your responsibility not ours. The basics should have come from where you got your ackie. Not from others.

Take that heat pad out from under the stack. The purpose of a stack is to allow different choices of heat, not heat both ends. My bet is, once the heatpad is gone, then it will go up.

Also, forums are not for asking questions, they are to share our experiences. If those experiences happen to help you or solve a problem you have, then great. But to ask and ask and ask, is sucking the blood and I would imagine rude. Of course you can ask questions, but you should also just share, sort of a balance. When you make it always about a problem, sooner or later, no body will take you seriously.

As you have seen, there are very few who will take the time to help you, the reason is clear, its very tiring doing the same thing over and over and over. So if your going to ask questions, make it fun.

And what the holy dog dirt is Reets stacks??? Besides if it has hole/s in it, its not a Retes stack, its some other stack, a holy moly stack or something, FR

ha, ya sorry didnt spell it right... you seem to get annoyed with people useing 'your' stacks differnt then yours. I would be happy that people use them, i think its cool. anyway ya, i was just getin some thoughts on it but your right, im sure its the same old crap over and over again. sorry about that.. but thanks for your time anywayz...

No sir, I don't get bothered, its only that, If someone is going to put my name on something, it ought to be the something I used or made. You know, kinda like putting Henry Fords name on Chevys or something. They are both cars(at least they were) but Mr. Ford made fords, not Chevys.

Mine do not have holes and they are never stacked strait up, those are done by others, I imagine someone whos all organized and neat and clean, made those, one who thinks neat and organized takes precidence over useable. Mine are useable, for both me and the monitors. those others are goofy if you ask me. Mine do not stack strait up, what a building or something, also they are rarely level, they also can go beneath the ground and over it. The boards are not the same size either. Mine have lots of tight different spaces with lots of different temps and humidities. You know, to allow lots of choices for different reasons.

I would suspect that monitors have reasons for doing what they do, and may have lots of reasons. Thats why I give them lots of choices.

You would have to admit that if people give them three choices and then wonder why they only do three things, is odd. Then when told they can do more then three things get all mad and say mine only do three things. But they only gave them three choices, what the frog lips were they expecting? Theres an old saying, "its a fool who keeps doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results" I get the feeling, this saying fits us keepers well.

In a post below, some nice person gave his ackie a branch, then when the monitor was hanging by its toes thought it was neat. The monitor was saying this is a good spot(the temps are good) but I wish there was something comfortable to sit on. FR

ya i see what your saying.. makes sense, you dont really want someone saying this is your when its not really the same thing. and ya that branch post is funny, but ya it cant really be all that comfortable for the monitor. my nerd ackie hasnt been out of his hold allllllllll, hope the booger comes around......
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0.1.0 BCI, 3 yr old
0.0.1 Ridge Tail Monitor, Juvi.
0.0.1 Leoperd Gecko, Juvi (My girlfriends)

I know you're the Monitor King and very knowledgable in the field but you go thru this forum in such a negative manner. You're talking to humans not reptiles.

I am talking to humans and not monitors. I do like reptiles over 99% of the people and I surely would rather being talking to them. But this internet thing between your ackie and I.

I do wonder why you worry about how I rub and not how your monitor is hanging. I would think your first concern would be that.

You could say, hey that old fart may be right, notice I said may be. You could try out what I recomended and see if I was right. Then you could say, hey you were right, but your still an old fart. I don't mine being an old fart or right, heck I don't mind being wrong either. That would mean I just have to try again.

I do think you should not worry about how I rub. I already understand, people do not like or want, to be told stuff or shown they are wrong, or point out something they missed. They are afraid it will make them look bad. But heck, I cannot see you, so why worry about how you look?

You really should ask yourself why you didn't you see that. how embarrassing. FR

You're all correct, I just got irritated when I read his comment to my post then read the next 3 posts where he seemed to be harsh with people asking questions. It does get annoying though when someone just pops in and asks the same question that was answered 2 posts ago time and time again. I've visited this forum for many years and learned a lot from Frank's posts long before I even registered here so I definately respect the guy, he's the Monitor King just seemed like he was grouchy that day.

ha everyone has their days.. ha
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0.1.0 BCI, 3 yr old
0.0.1 Ridge Tail Monitor, Juvi.
0.0.1 Leoperd Gecko, Juvi (My girlfriends)

You have all the right to be mad or iratated. Only for normal human reasons, you directed your anger at me, instead of where it should have gone, and that was to you. You really were or should be mad at yourself for not recognizing what you monitor was telling you. I have nothing to do with you being naive(you didn't know what the ackie was saying) Or you simply not providing the right type of basking areas. That is all on you, not me.

So yes, I point it out and you get mad, there is really no way to avoid it. I surely have more respect for you then to treat you like a baby and spoon feed you like a baby(some here thing that works, I don't) I will treat you like a peer, I will tell you like I would like to be told. No beating around the bush and if you cannot respect that, then to bad. hahahahahahahahahaha, ok thats funny. But its true. Take it like a man(thats actually a punchline to a mismatched pair joke) FR

Man I am telling you! He’s the kind of guy to tell you things like, don’t you see a problem your monitor is 2 years old and still half grown, stop feeding him junk food, and stop stressing the hell out of him with your forced handling, then set him up in a proper cage with real substrate that hold moderate moisture and dig able so he can do what he’s supposed to do, borrow! maybe then he will grow?
Ho yes this is exactly the kind of things he would say, and then heed go on and talk about how he started the hole dwarf monitors breeding decades ago when know body even new what they where and sure as hell didn’t know how to breed them. He will tell you about his many many generation of cbb ackies and 1000s of clutches, not to mention all the other species he produced for all to enjoy, I mean all that can keep them alive (most don’t).

I know how you feel, really! Iv seen this guy post on these forums for years and I still don’t understand why he puts up with peoples.
Peoples that regularly obtain monitors and kill them, some kill them fast, others kill them slow, some give them crappy condition all there existence, usually these peoples don’t even bother reading about the specie, and are offended when given directions. Very few do well eventho its not magic or even complicated.

So you tell me, how are we supposed to react, exchange or communicate with you.
Am I supposed to agree with you, when I see your at fault and in need of husbandry education, am I suppose to understand that you are a caring and loving keeper, when I see you have little respect for your charge? Pleas help me! so I can help you without offending your ego.
FR is a blessing to anyone interested in varanids, only fools would think otherwise (trust me I know a few fools) why I think this way? Because we share a common background, in fact anyone breeding any reptiles are facing this same situation, we all see are babies dieing in ignorant hands, the worst insult is we are often blamed by these ignorantie's.
Guess what we are at fault, we sure are!
Why I stop helping

I find all sorts of people that rub me the wrong way, for many reasons. But that's not their problem, it's mine. The bottom line is that this a place for information exchange, and a persons personality has nothing to do with the quality of their knowledge. If you expect this place to be a social club, then it's on you when you get offended by what someone says. I understand that in this case, you've been rubbed the wrong way because Frank answered a question that you didn't ask, but try to get over your gut reaction to his style, and focus on his substance. If what he has to say bruises your ego and doesn't cause you to rethink how you keep your monitor, then your ego is more important to you than the well-being of your animal. That's not uncommon among people who are into reptiles, but it's worrisome to many of us.

While I disagree with FR that this is not a place to ask questions, I CAN say that the vast majority of the questions asked could easily have been answered by buying a book (sometimes even a crappy book) or searching the archives. Questions like that are the hallmarks of rude, lazy, or unimaginative people who should probably not be keeping animals of any kind. Reptiles require more thinking than that, and anyone who needs spoon-feeding hasn't done their homework. I don't understand what's so hard about the idea of doing the research BEFORE buying the animal; I admit to having done it, but not since I was about 12. On the other hand, once a keeper has a solid footing in the husbandry of the animals they keep, questions occur to them that are perfectly appropriate here, because the answers can' t be found in books nor the archives. They're questions that start discussions that benefit everyone, whether the answers are known or not. Along the way some of the comments are bound to irritate people, but that's just life. FR can't do anything about your personal reaction to him; that problem is strictly yours, and if you can figure out how to get past it, your monitor will thank you.

Steve

Ha, ya hes a little blunt, but in a way ist better then saying, 'Hey, I think maybe, you should try this and it might work'.. cause if everyone said that, i dont think maybe people would take it real serious. Oh and ya if he knows his crap.. who cares how he talks... I think i asked a few stupid questions on here and well i guess that makes me annoying. thats not a good thing but i wasnt looking to get my first opinion, what i was doing was seeing how real people do things, not just what a 10 year old book said. Anyway this fourm will help you out, even if you do look like a Butt hole in the process... i dont care if i do, its a stupid internet chat-fourm.. .. i could not care any less, as long as im not piss'n tooo many people off. I still think its funny how upset he gets when you drill a hole or two into one of your Frank-designed stacks... just dont use his name when talking about it!!!! hahaha... but who cares, he has a right to his opinion!!! ok ok.. ok... anyone going to the michigan repile show this weekend? or the ohio on on the 23rd?
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0.1.0 BCI, 3 yr old
0.0.1 Ridge Tail Monitor, Juvi.
0.0.1 Leoperd Gecko, Juvi (My girlfriends)

Its not a place for newbies to "only ask" as in, to ask and ask and ask and ask. Its a place to share and ask. Get it. Without both, its a done deal. That is history.

Its always a benefit to look at the history of something, The folks who take the time to answer questions have had a short shelf life, the people who want answers just keep on coming.

As I mentioned, all this information is in literature, the right, the wrong and the ugly, just like what you would recieve here. ITs in books and magazines, its also in the archives. Yet, the askers want it to be all about them.

Please understand, you have the right to disagree, I just hope your disagreeing with the right stuff. FR

Perfectly clarified, and I agree with you 100%.

Steve