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tutles in cinci, OH river...lots of pics

DeanAlessandrini Jul 11, 2005 02:00 PM

Four of us from the cinti herp soc. (myself, Paul, Todd and Mike) went to a survey area near the Little Miami river on Sunday, with the goal primarily of documenting turtle species, and, hopefully a smooth softshell. Smooth softshell turtles are known to be in the little Miami river, but it has been since 1993 since one has been documented.

Spiny softshells are present as well, and much more common. They are often seen basking, but the smoothies usually do not bask outside the water, only in the shallows, so they are much more difficult to find. Smooths are only found in 4 Ohio rivers.

We started by scoping out good looking habitat around the river.

Here Paul and Mike search for evidence of turtles

…as does Todd.

Evidence of softshell turtles was all over this sandy beach.


PAYDIRT! The first find we made was this perfect SMOOTH softshell!

These guys don’t even try to bite!



There’s me and smoothie…

Later we traveled the river via canoe. Just before we entered, Paul found this juvie black rat snake under a board.

This guy has a huge meal in his gut!

I just missed a northern water snake as it slipped off of a rock into the river….no pic…

Turtles were not as common on the logs as we had hoped, but we saw several…that slipped into the water before I could take pics. I JUST MISSED one that we think may have been a river cooter, which would have been a very significant find.

I got this picture of another basking turtle from very far away…but can’t make a 100% ID.
This one COULD be a small cooter, but more likely a map turtle.

We returned to the sandy beach spot, and this time discovered 2 nice spiny softshells.
Here’s a youngster….


And a very nice-looking mature male with a bold pattern. (by the way, spinys BITE)

The following are some comparisons of the smooth and spiny softshell turtles using the turtles we found yesterday:

Replies (6)

TxHerper Jul 12, 2005 12:29 PM

Great report! How did you guys capture the turtles? Did you have traps? Interesting ventral comparison; I've never read of that distinguishing character.
Shane

TomDickinson Jul 12, 2005 01:45 PM

Taken in tyler state park PA

DeanAlessandrini Jul 13, 2005 07:32 AM

Wow that's really tough to tell from that photo. It looks like a large female...but it has few markings (typical of large females)

Sorry...from that photo it could be either species. Most likely spiny, just because they are a lot more widespread.

Check the collins field guide though...smoothies might not even be found that far east, I think they are only in a small part of PA. That being the case it would have to be a spiney.

DeanAlessandrini Jul 13, 2005 07:33 AM

mostly caught be hand from canoes...we do have some traps but haven't set them yet.

the_Ox Jul 13, 2005 04:36 PM

Do you find it easy to sneak up on turtles from the canoe? I know in the past I was able to sneak up on various wildlife from my canoe. Do you just aim the canoe, then slowly float up to them then grab? Thanx for any info.

Matt

DeanAlessandrini Jul 14, 2005 07:29 AM

It's not easy. But, yes I just stop paddling and let the canoe drift toward the log...etc.

Turtles are real tough. They are much more wary even than water snakes.

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