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Hello, my name is Michael. I live in Florida, and I am planning on buying a green anaconda at a petstore this weekend or sooner. I am very familiar with building materials, such as screen and plywood. I want to make a custom sized cage to fit inside my bedroom. The width would be 2 feet, the length about 6 and the height I'm not sure about. I want to glue a plastic dish so my anaconda can swim when he/she wants to. I also want a portion of the cage to be without water, and to include a hide box. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. I'm going to use wood screws, thin plywood, 2x4's, a big plastic water dish, sealant for the water dish, and of course a screen or plexiglass top. If anyone has done this before, please let me know...I plan on doing it very soon. I plan on keeping my anaconda until it reaches around 8 feet. I might keep it longer if circumstances allow. Thanks! bye

I was also thinking of cutting some pine branches and screwing them in place so my snake could climb.

By the way, I have access to any power tool I want...if someone could give me like a complicated design that will take a lot of work, I'd really like it.

Thanks!

look whats the point in getting a 'conda if you cant keep it untill it dies, and reaches its maximum size? its makes all of us herp enthusiasts look bad when someone does what you want to do, no one wants to buy an 8 foot ananconda, they want them as babies and raise them themselves. you will probably have to give it to a herp sanctuary, which may have to keep it untill it dies, and usually they dont need one more food bill for a HUGE eater. if you cant keep an adult anaconda, dont get a baby. ever thought about boas, or some pythons? find something that tops out around 8 feet so you can keep it.

Totally agree with Devilgofer. If you can't keep or commit to raising one of the giants-don't get one. A green anaconda will get to be 8 foot very quickly. I have one of Kelly Haller's green anacondas and he is the tamest snake by far of my 42 constrictors. They are very intelligent snakes and can be very docile and really bond with you if raised properly. Snakes are living creatures and not thought of something to be discarded or disposed of. In captivity green anacondas do not need large water sources to soak in-only to drink. Permitting an anaconda to soak leads to skin problems. Also the water must be changed daily and what happens is you either face a maintenance nightmare or don't change the water and have a bacteria pool. Bill.
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...three years ago it was just another snake cult...
The Retic is King.
Anacondas-the other Dark Side.
Afrocks-the dark side of the Dark Side.

Okay, I understand your concerns...it's just the green anaconda has an effect on me...it's a very awesome snake. I'll keep thinking about it...thanks

I will be more "gentle" with my reply this time. Yes Green Anaconda's are fascinating snakes. However, there are so many of these large boids these days that most people donot want because they were un-prepared for their care. Please do NOT add to that list. Rescues are full and the zoo doesn't want it because they arleady have more animals than they care to. Most people want baby anacondas. I understand that this animal "has an effect" on you. But if we continue allowing people to own these animals and only add to the problem already at hand, the future for owning these animals will not be possible.

If you want a snake, then get a boa or something of that sort. It may not be as fascinating to you as the anaconda, but it will better prepare you so that one of these days you may be prepared for this kind of committment.

I am hoping that you will make a responsible decision. Please wait. When you are older and have a house of your own, then you can consider getting an anaconda that you could house for LIFE.

Besides, anaconda's aren't exactly the cheapest snakes unless they are wild-caught, and you would be wasting your money. If you only want to keep it until it is around 8 feet, then you will only have it for about 8-10 months.

I hope you make the right decision here.

Best Wishes,

chris

>>Okay, I understand your concerns...it's just the green anaconda has an effect on me...it's a very awesome snake. I'll keep thinking about it...thanks

all right...that's cool guys. Thanks for the advice.

Here is my cage

http://www.geocities.com/offroading_is_cool/

I still haven't put on the top, I have to cut my last piece of plywood tommorow...I have my moniter in there for now, it makes him look pretty small.

I'm buying a baby green anaconda for 100$...

In spite of good advice from several knowlegeable herpers you're going to buy a potentially deadly constrictor that will in all likelyhood outgrow the cage you made within a year or two, tops. Good going. Way to listen to that advice. I'm not going to be as kind as the other posters. You said you wanted a snake that would get big and then if it got too big you'd get rid of it. YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS HOBBY! I work part-time for a facility that regularly sees the fruits of poorly thought out purchases such as yours. I can't remember how many malnourished, emmaciated, dessicated, DIEING snakes, monitors, turtles, etc. - all the result of somebody getting an animal AND NOT MAKING A COMMITTMENT TO IT! You don't just buy something and then say 'I'll get rid of it if it gets mean or gets too big.' If you buy a living animal you should do your level best to give it the best care you possibly can for the duration of it's natural life - not as you see fit, based on your own whim. Anyway, lotsa luck getting rid of that giant snake in a year and half, or more likely it'll probably be dead before then. Too bad that poor snake had to have you buy it.
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Matt Campbell
25 years herp keeping experience
Full-time zookeeper
Personal collection - 21 snakes (9 genera), 20 lizards (4 genera), 6 chelonians (2 genera)

During my zoo days I had to deal with a lot of herps that had outgrown their owners, so to speak. I was in a fairly small area at the time and can only imagine what you go through in a major metropolitan area.

At any rate, I took calls on Burmese Pythons, Iguanas, Monitors, and other usual suspects. Even Caiman and American Alligators often needed homes.

But I never once took a call on an Anaconda and this was back when A LOT were coming into the country.

So I'm interested to know how often Anacondas become unwanted pets in an area like Chicago. Just curious.
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Current snakes:

1.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Silver/Yellow)

2.2 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Green)

4.3 Gonyosoma janseni - (Black)

Posted by: chris_harper2 at Tue Jul 12 21:04:31 2005 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

During my zoo days I had to deal with a lot of herps that had outgrown their owners, so to speak. I was in a fairly small area at the time and can only imagine what you go through in a major metropolitan area.

At any rate, I took calls on Burmese Pythons, Iguanas, Monitors, and other usual suspects. Even Caiman and American Alligators often needed homes.

But I never once took a call on an Anaconda and this was back when A LOT were coming into the country.

So I'm interested to know how often Anacondas become unwanted pets in an area like Chicago. Just curious.

In my area they are banned you cant sell them or buy them mail,etc. All the pythons are to because of kids that used to buy them as babies than I imagine release them or maybe drop them off at zoo,etc.
You can have ball pythons and boas like rosy ,sand think also the green type arboreal boas,pythons but no retic,african,burmese,anoconda.
you used to see baby retics in pet stores going back like 7 yrs for under $40 that was the problem now all gone.

I am against disposable pets like iguanas and the like. At times I miss the good old days when reptile keeping was not so mainstream.

With captive longevities now of 20 years or more now with better understanding and better husbandry practices I have to ask how many of us that have been around herps for more than 20 years still have our origanal animals?

He is probably making a HUGE mistake and setting himself/us up for bad press some day but most of the people I know in the hobby have downsized at one time or another, changed focus, or left the hobby entirely,etc.

People sell/trade horses and other animals, tropical fish etc. I feel bad for the poor animal rescue folks with the big hearts when people act irresponsibly but before we stone the dude maybe we should check out our own collections.

How many people who end their posts with their current captives lists (living animal trophys?) are going to have them next year or the year after? We need to be responible with our animals and take the best care we can of them but any meaningful talk has got to be rooted in reality to get anywhere.
IMHO. (ps. I am not attacking the post animal lists. For many folks I know it IDs their interests.)

While I donot disagree with you, I only have one comment. It is because of most peoples understanding of how this works that we hammer people that do this. The problem that I have is that he OPENLY made comment that he was going to get rid of the animal once it's about 8ft. The next problem that I had, is that after reading our sincere attempts to talk some SENSE into him, he came back and threw it in our faces immediately afterwards.

He doesn't care that he will be contributing to the "death" of our beloved hobby. That is my biggest problem.

chris

>>I am against disposable pets like iguanas and the like. At times I miss the good old days when reptile keeping was not so mainstream.
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>> With captive longevities now of 20 years or more now with better understanding and better husbandry practices I have to ask how many of us that have been around herps for more than 20 years still have our origanal animals?
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>> He is probably making a HUGE mistake and setting himself/us up for bad press some day but most of the people I know in the hobby have downsized at one time or another, changed focus, or left the hobby entirely,etc.
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>> People sell/trade horses and other animals, tropical fish etc. I feel bad for the poor animal rescue folks with the big hearts when people act irresponsibly but before we stone the dude maybe we should check out our own collections.
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>> How many people who end their posts with their current captives lists (living animal trophys?) are going to have them next year or the year after? We need to be responible with our animals and take the best care we can of them but any meaningful talk has got to be rooted in reality to get anywhere.
>> IMHO. (ps. I am not attacking the post animal lists. For many folks I know it IDs their interests.)

I hear you, I think he is probably making a big mistake. I have seen friends in the hobby with longstanding collections who occasionally get a side project to work with just for awhile w/o any longterm commitment and then give the animals away to another friend just to keep things interesting. No foul.

The good thing is he asked advice ( teachable) Another thing is when we ask for advice from friends we are not obliged to take it. Ultimately we are responsible and make the decision good or bad. He may wind up loving the animal so much that he keeps it very long term like alot of other folks have who bought an animal because it was "cool" and got hooked and matured in the hobby.

As for ruining the hobby, there's too many folks selling venomous to minors,people keeping venomous illegally,people shipping animals poorly,People using books to hold cage tops down allowing snakes (sometimes venomous)to get loose,people overcollecting and taking endangered animals and crocodile hunter types to worry about one novice. Don't let it eat you up. life is too short. Have a good nite.

>> How many people who end their posts with their current captives lists (living animal trophys?) are going to have them next year or the year after?

Bob,

I totally agree. I think you like myself and Chris are probably old enough to remember the OLD days before you could go into any old pet shop and buy some exotic lizard or snake. The old days when we caught what we kept. Heck, the old days even before those cryptic price lists you read about. Heck, I never even saw a price list until I'd been back in school the second time around in the mid 90's, and by then it was up on that new-fangled internet-thingie.

Anyway, I'm pointing to the time when you couldn't take something to the vet and if it got sick you jacked up the heat and hoped for the best. If it died you bought something else.

Ultimately, it's really about making that committment and providing the best care you can and only making that committment if you truly can provide that standard of care. It reminds me of one of the guys in our herp society. He has I think it's a Alligator Snapper that he acquired somehow - anyway, he knows it will outlive him as long as it gets the best possible care. So, he has it in his will to go into his son's care, and should it look to outlive his son, to go into his son's children's care when he finally gets married and has his own family. That's making a committment.
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Matt Campbell
25 years herp keeping experience
Full-time zookeeper
Personal collection - 21 snakes (9 genera), 20 lizards (4 genera), 6 chelonians (2 genera)

...at least we've realized about the commitment and stepped up to the plate with our own collections. We can only hope others do the same.
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Matt Campbell
25 years herp keeping experience
Full-time zookeeper
Personal collection - 21 snakes (9 genera), 20 lizards (4 genera), 6 chelonians (2 genera)

>>Bob,
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>>I totally agree. I think you like myself and Chris are probably old enough to remember the OLD days before you could go into any old pet shop and buy some exotic lizard or snake. The old days when we caught what we kept. Heck, the old days even before those cryptic price lists you read about.

Okay, I am actually old enough to remember those days. Although when I became fully active in the hobby price lists were quite the rage. Of course, EVERY breeder had the same exact collection, LOL.

I do think things have improved. My biggest gripe back then were the huge numbers of imported lizards and amphibians that died. I am glad to see that CB Leopard Geckos, Bearded Dragons, White's/Red Eyed Tree Frogs have had some positive impact on this. Of course I believe the import numbers are still as high as ever. I'm ashamed to admit I don't keep up on that.

Regardless, there are still huge issues with the hobby.
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Current snakes:

1.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Silver/Yellow)

2.2 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Green)

4.3 Gonyosoma janseni - (Black)

np

Matt,

I've read that folks with large parrots do that too because they live so long. I hope my Dad doesn't get a loud parrot. I'm getting tired of smelling snake poop and cleaning cages and That ear peircing sqwacking hurts my ears! LOL. Maybe you,me and Chris can go to a nursing home some day near the Everglades and watch the herps from our front porch rockers! Dibs on the silver drool bucket! LOL

BobS,

As someone with an animal list at the bottom of my signature I was really hit with the remark you made about them. I KNOW that you said that you were not attacking them in general (and it is clear that you were far from attacking them), but man, when I think about what you wrote it really does make one think. I am VERY new to the hobby and have looked at what other herps I would love to get. Fortunitly I have some willpower and common sense along with a wife that is former zoo staff that has made a career of keeping me in check . Thanks for the insight and I only wish more people would read this posting!
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Bryan, Atlanta GA

1-0-0 Ball Python - Apep
0-1-0 Mountain Horned Dragon - Ki
1-1-0 Rats... no wait... ROTTEN Little Cats - Ra, Bastet
0-1-0 Little Angelic Kitten - Isis
1-0-0 Horse... whoops... BIG Golden Retriever - Jake
0-1-0 Wife
2-0-0 Kids

Bryan,

Thanks for taking it the right way. Good wives that help us keep things in check is a great thing with this hobby that can be so much fun. Our eyes can be bigger than our responsible cage capacity. Glad to hear you have will power, I'm still working on it. LOL. Happy herping.

np
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Bryan, Atlanta GA

1-0-0 Ball Python - Apep
0-1-0 Mountain Horned Dragon - Ki
1-1-0 Rats... no wait... ROTTEN Little Cats - Ra, Bastet
0-1-0 Little Angelic Kitten - Isis
1-0-0 Horse... whoops... BIG Golden Retriever - Jake
0-1-0 Wife
2-0-0 Kids

>>So I'm interested to know how often Anacondas become unwanted pets in an area like Chicago. Just curious.

Chris,
It's not so much anacondas as the other 'usual' culprits - burms, igs, and crocs of one sort or another. One problem is we have a 'reptile swap' that gets held twice a month in some guy's barn up in Streamwood, IL. Once already, police, ATF, and conservation police have raided this joint and served out many citations for various infractions and even made some arrests for some VERY illegal transactions. Anyway, aside from the sleaziness of the operation it is a major source of cheap wholly unsuitable animals that end up not wanted.

At the zoo, surprisingly we don't deal in drop-offs much anymore. I think most people turn them loose and usually it's animal control or the police who get called in to deal with them. Most of these animals end up going to a number of rescues/shelters in the area and a LOT of them get funneled through the Wildlife Discovery Center before being adopted out to responsible keepers throughout the midwest. I've seen nile crocs, spec caimans, bazillions of igs [green and spiny-tailed], any number of chelonians, and various balls, burms, red-tails, af-rocks, various monitors, and yes, even anacondas.

However, to finally answer your question about anacondas, we don't see many coming through the WDC or for that matter the herp society adoptions program. The simple reason I think is that many people simply don't know how demanding a juvie 'conda can be and the fact that many of them are imprinted from birth on lizards and fish. I've heard of VERY FEW baby 'condas that were pounding mice from day one. The simple fact is that I think most die before they can be dumped when they've gotten too big. They simply starve to death because they steadfastly refuse to eat rodents when they're young.

What's probably much more startling is how popular Af-rocks have become - not only the fact that they will pound rodents, but that they're usually cheaper CB than 'condas. We're seeing more and more of them and that's REALLY scary considering a huge 'conda is usually a much more placid animal than your average Af-rock of the same size - heck, any size for that matter! In fact, a friend of mine tells a story about how a 16 ft. rock he used to have pulled an entire fridge over on its side in his herp room once as he was struggling to medicate it. It's those idiots buying the rocks we need to be really afraid of, but I'm still not letting off this jerk whose 'leasing' his 'conda as another poster put it.
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Matt Campbell
25 years herp keeping experience
Full-time zookeeper
Personal collection - 21 snakes (9 genera), 20 lizards (4 genera), 6 chelonians (2 genera)

Matt,

I have a similar concern with Rock Pythons. I think the only "good" thing going there is that they are not readily bred in captivity. At least I hope not, I have not kept up on Rocks for many years.

It's things like Sulcatta Tortises that really bother me. They are super easy to breed and almost as easy to raise. What this means is a cheap surplus of cute tortises that will result in impulse purchases. This leads to even more large adults that are either released or escape into the wild - both of which drive me absolutely nuts.

>>However, to finally answer your question about anacondas, we don't see many coming through the WDC or for that matter the herp society adoptions program. The simple reason I think is that many people simply don't know how demanding a juvie 'conda can be... The simple fact is that I think most die before they can be dumped when they've gotten too big.

I also suspect this is true. I have know some pretty talented herpers who have lost captive-born (not captive bred) Anacondas.

On a related note, I'll say that I don't have a huge problem with the basic idea of buying snakes and selling them off when they are larger. Let's just say, hypothetically, that I was a very talented Anaconda keeper but no longer had the room to keep and breed a large collection. From what I can tell there would be a demand for someone like this to acclimate imports and/or raise babies to the point of being established for other keepers interested in breeding.

I don't think that would be a big deal, at least philosophically. I certainly don't mean to imply that this is what I suspect with the originator of this thread.

I'll also point out that this is done with Ball Pythons all the time. Evidently there is good money in buying farm-raised imports and power-feeding them up to 500 grams or some other magic number. Similar things are also done in the venomous community, although not to a huge degree. I have certainly heard of it.

Just some food for thought. The anger in this thread seems to be directed at the concept of buying a snake with the intention of raising it up and selling it. I think people are right to be upset by this thread, but I don't think they are truely focusing on the problem. Of course, I've not really focused on the thread so I may have missed some key points.
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Current snakes:

1.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Silver/Yellow)

2.2 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Green)

4.3 Gonyosoma janseni - (Black)

Chris,

Again, I agree with you totally. I don't think there's anything wrong with 'headstarting' animals and selling them off later - provided that's what you're in business to do. However, our original 'trolling' poster was indicating that he just wanted it because it was cool and if he couldn't take care of it he'd get rid of it. Of course we all bit on that one. Anyway, I totally agree with the idea of 'headstarting' and wish more breeders would do it, particularly with more difficult species like balls. A few years back my fiance was into corns and so we bought I think no less than about 3 or 4 at various shows in that time and all of them ended up dieing later because we couldn't get them to eat and the stress probably hastened the decline. Just a case of animals that can be very freaky and have the potential to do very poorly right from the outset. I don't know how many breeders I see at shows selling animals that've never even had their first meal. The stress of the show, no first, second, third meal to insure they're healthy and established - they go home with someone else to a new environment, more stress, etc. Well, you get the point.
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Matt Campbell
25 years herp keeping experience
Full-time zookeeper
Personal collection - 21 snakes (9 genera), 20 lizards (4 genera), 6 chelonians (2 genera)

It's great to see that somebody takes sincere warnings and let's them go through one ear and out the other. Then on top of that, throws it in there faces later on. Well, when these animals are banned in your state, just remember that you have noone else to blame but yourself.

Nice cage

>>Here is my cage
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>>http://www.geocities.com/offroading_is_cool/
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>>I still haven't put on the top, I have to cut my last piece of plywood tommorow...I have my moniter in there for now, it makes him look pretty small.
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>>I'm buying a baby green anaconda for 100$...

Posted by: sh03z at Tue Jul 12 20:14:33 2005 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Here is my cage

http://www.geocities.com/offroading_is_cool/

I still haven't put on the top, I have to cut my last piece of plywood tommorow...I have my moniter in there for now, it makes him look pretty small.

I'm buying a baby green anaconda for 100$...

Lol I knew you were going to get it as soon as I read your post regardless of what anyone said. Either way the cage is great looking I love it. I like to come here and read posts as I intend to build a cage for a cornsnake with climbing branches,etc.
Yours is nice are you going to paint it?

I roam here everyday. Posting occasionally and laughing or sighing everyonce in a while.
But today...after reading the long string of "I want to temporarily lease an anaconda like its a freakin Lexus"... I have to Groan!
I will...at this point express my dismay.

Owning a snake is like having a kid, just not as messy. Or noisy. Or expensive. And it doesnt want to go to the mall, or bring home a boyfriend. And doesnt need a cell phone.
Owning a snake is being in charge of another life. Not a car, which you can junk or sell or play bangup derby with and ditch in a canal.
Owning a snake is not like a game system which you can trade in...and if you did...to a pet store, most people are not gracious of the fact..they are calling you a loser and cursing you for defaming the REAL herpers rep.
So dont buy the damn anaconda... till you are MENTALLY capable of such responsibility. And if you don't understand where we are coming from...you are not ready for it.
I have two friends I work with, that against all my knowledge, advice and pleading, went out and bought an alby burm and a African rock python. ALbeit they are both young (the snakes) the new owners bought them as treats to show off at all possible times at parties. Luckily for the snake...the snakes are feisty as all hell. Multiple bites later, and much bloodshed has made up for the fact that idiots should not own snakes, or kids, or guns.

Please excuse my rambling...I'm slightly intoxicated trying to drown my sorrows for losing my dear Grandmother and thought that berating a future Darwin award winner would make me feel better...

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Coastal Carpet Python 0.1 (Lillith)
Albino Burm 0.1 (Kimba RIP 10/23/04)
Columbian RedTail 0.1 (Squishy)
Kenyan Sand Boa 1.0 (Shai'hulud) MIA
Brown Water Snake 0.1 (Fang)
Common Snapping Turtle 1.1 (Sherman and Tiger)
(RIP Abrahms)
RES 1.0 (speedy)
African Rock Python (Mongo) 0.0.1

In the event that you havent read it, the genius already got the snake. I think people like him walk in purposely to piss people off with these comments.

>>I roam here everyday. Posting occasionally and laughing or sighing everyonce in a while.
>> But today...after reading the long string of "I want to temporarily lease an anaconda like its a freakin Lexus"... I have to Groan!
>> I will...at this point express my dismay.
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>> Owning a snake is like having a kid, just not as messy. Or noisy. Or expensive. And it doesnt want to go to the mall, or bring home a boyfriend. And doesnt need a cell phone.
>> Owning a snake is being in charge of another life. Not a car, which you can junk or sell or play bangup derby with and ditch in a canal.
>> Owning a snake is not like a game system which you can trade in...and if you did...to a pet store, most people are not gracious of the fact..they are calling you a loser and cursing you for defaming the REAL herpers rep.
>> So dont buy the damn anaconda... till you are MENTALLY capable of such responsibility. And if you don't understand where we are coming from...you are not ready for it.
>> I have two friends I work with, that against all my knowledge, advice and pleading, went out and bought an alby burm and a African rock python. ALbeit they are both young (the snakes) the new owners bought them as treats to show off at all possible times at parties. Luckily for the snake...the snakes are feisty as all hell. Multiple bites later, and much bloodshed has made up for the fact that idiots should not own snakes, or kids, or guns.
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>>Please excuse my rambling...I'm slightly intoxicated trying to drown my sorrows for losing my dear Grandmother and thought that berating a future Darwin award winner would make me feel better...

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>>Coastal Carpet Python 0.1 (Lillith)
>>Albino Burm 0.1 (Kimba RIP 10/23/04)
>>Columbian RedTail 0.1 (Squishy)
>>Kenyan Sand Boa 1.0 (Shai'hulud) MIA
>>Brown Water Snake 0.1 (Fang)
>>Common Snapping Turtle 1.1 (Sherman and Tiger)
>>(RIP Abrahms)
>>RES 1.0 (speedy)
>>African Rock Python (Mongo) 0.0.1

Oh, thats golden...housing a large constrictor in a cage you have to reach down into... Can you say Darwin Award? I knew you could. I swear... Most of a snake's natural predators strike from above... mainly birds of prey.
And here goes boy genius building a large cage that opens on top. Chris and others have always talked about a front opening cage for safety sake... Geez.

And to clarify... My grandmother might not have died yet... I heard she was on machines, but her Med records state DNR...but none of my family seem to be answering their phones, but Mr. Jack Daniels always answers

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Coastal Carpet Python 0.1 (Lillith)
Albino Burm 0.1 (Kimba RIP 10/23/04)
Columbian RedTail 0.1 (Squishy)
Kenyan Sand Boa 1.0 (Shai'hulud) MIA
Brown Water Snake 0.1 (Fang)
Common Snapping Turtle 1.1 (Sherman and Tiger)
(RIP Abrahms)
RES 1.0 (speedy)
African Rock Python (Mongo) 0.0.1

Hey man,

Sorry to hear about your grandmother. Oh and take it easy on Jack, he's not all that he's cracked up to be. Good luck and best wishes to your grandmother and family.

Chris

>>Oh, thats golden...housing a large constrictor in a cage you have to reach down into... Can you say Darwin Award? I knew you could. I swear... Most of a snake's natural predators strike from above... mainly birds of prey.
>> And here goes boy genius building a large cage that opens on top. Chris and others have always talked about a front opening cage for safety sake... Geez.
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>> And to clarify... My grandmother might not have died yet... I heard she was on machines, but her Med records state DNR...but none of my family seem to be answering their phones, but Mr. Jack Daniels always answers
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>>Coastal Carpet Python 0.1 (Lillith)
>>Albino Burm 0.1 (Kimba RIP 10/23/04)
>>Columbian RedTail 0.1 (Squishy)
>>Kenyan Sand Boa 1.0 (Shai'hulud) MIA
>>Brown Water Snake 0.1 (Fang)
>>Common Snapping Turtle 1.1 (Sherman and Tiger)
>>(RIP Abrahms)
>>RES 1.0 (speedy)
>>African Rock Python (Mongo) 0.0.1