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Hello,
Today i bought a nice goliath frog (conraua goliath) at the pet store. It was kind of pricy (200$) but i know they can get very large, and i think it will be worth it. Problem is i cant find very much info on them. It's kind of weird though, it doesnt look anything like the pictures of them i have seen. It looks more like a common bull frog. Oh Well its probably just a morph or somthing and thats why it was so much.
Thanks For Any Help

I found a little info on them and it said they lay like 30,000 eggs at once. I am going to go get the other one they had at the petstore tomorrow and breed them. Its a 400 dollar investmint but think about it. 200 x 30000 = $1,250,000. I am gonna be so rich. THis is awesome $$$$$$$$$$

How can you be so sure that the other one is going to be the opposite gender?

Theere are no morphs of goliath frogs, you probably have an expensive bullfrog or african bullfrog. And you won't have any of the tads survive because the only feed on algae/plants found in this river in Africa. Sorry but you won't be making any money.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

Mine as well let him try. He will probably prove you wrong.

Some people have imported them and tried to breed thme without success, what makes you think he will? He probably doesn't even have a goliath frog. I'd like to see a picture.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

True, he probably doesn't, but if he does there is still a chance of him being able to breed them. Nothing says it is impossible.

lol..goliath frog? its illegal to have them since they are endangered. second, if there were available im pretty sure it'll be more than $200! btw, how big is this frog of your's, and do you have any pics? just curious.

np
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Devlin Gandy
I keep many rare and unusual lizards

actually your wrong, the sign didnt say bull frog it said goliath frog (conraua goliath). And the guy at the pet store said they were probably a morph, i think he would know, it is his job.

pet store employees generally dont know what they're talking about, there are a few exceptiong but I doubt the guy you were talking to knew what he was talking about, they're only in it for the buck

he has been working there for 3yrs, he knows his animals

3 years is not lnog and he may not know his animals. Doesn't it seem weird that you are one of the only people with "goliath frogs" you probably got ripped, I'd love to see a picture. I doubt it's a morph, probably different species.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

You could be working with frogs for a hundred years and not know all the frogs. Just because he has been there a while doesn't mean he knows what he is talking about. And I think you need to describe this frog you got.

You must already know that goliath frogs are almost completely aquatic, so you must have a swimming pool for them? You must be feeding thme fish and have many water plants, rocks, and caversn set up in the pool to amke them feel secure? You must also have a special algae/water plant from African growing in the pool so when they breed an the tads come out, they have plenty of food? Because that's all they eat. Just maknig sure...
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

Bah.... I know of a few pet stores in this area that have been around since before I was born (25 yrs. ago.) I still see horrible conditions, mislabeled tanks and dead fish/frogs there. And the pathetic thing is, I know more about the stuff, and these guys are old enuff to be my father. Years means nothing.
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*~Ginevive~*

i can tell because the label says so

That this problem does not make sense??? 200 x 30000=$1,250,000
Maybe I missed something?? Oh well.

Mike

Lol, VERY observant!

I didn't even notice he put that there It's insanely ignorant to assume that all the tads would survive, though, so that figure would me more accurate, since it's just under a quarter of the $6 million he'd supposedly make.

Personally, I think he made it up just to try and look cool but only came across the fool.

Tadpole mortality is HIGH!! The Cuban we had laid a good 200 eggs, a little over 60 tads hatched and so far I only have 40 surviving tads. And I certainly don't expect that many to make it through.
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Heather

I don't think he's making it all up, but you may be right.

And that's even considering that Cubans are hardy--I'm sure that if he does have a goliath frog, he'll have a much higher death rate than yours! If even any survive, considering what Derek has said.

It sounds like you need to get your priorities straight here. If it doesn't look like a Goliath Frog it's probobly not. Get some pics and post them. You may in fact be getting ripped off by a pet shop.

of course im not getting ripped off by the pet shop, there is laws against that type of thing.

No, there's not man. All they have to do is say they didn't know what species it actually was and they labeled it as close as possible and youa re out $200.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

Actually, Derek, as long as you live in the U.S., as long as you're a minor you can return ANYTHING? Many times, even if you lost it or it died, depending on the situation.

You can return dirty underwear if you like, unless an adult was there when you bought it. The reason is that you can exit any contract, and actually buying something is just that. You would need a receipt of cash payment as proof (kids can't pay in credit or with check without an adult), but it's the law.

Yeah there are laws, but they are not enforced. I bought frogs under the assumption that they were Rice Paddy Frogs, they were frogs that live in rice paddys called Crab Eating Frogs. Now I think i got ripped off too, but noone will do anything about it. Ask the people on this forum how often they get a deal on something or they get ripped off because something is mislabeled.

If there were laws against that sort of thing I wouldn't see mis-labled animales all the time. I don't know how many times I've seen something labled one this and it's something completely different.

If I were you I'd be digging deep and finding out if you just lost $200 on a $10 frog man!!! Seriously!
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Heather

Im looking forward to breeding these frogs and am letting you have first chance to get some. They will be selling at $500, not too bad considering they are a rare morph. I expect them to get very large maybe 24in. So they should be very impressive.

i think these frogs are in the CITE list.i not even sure is legal for you to keep.i know their is some fish and wildlife people are patrol in some of this reptile and amphbian sites.just have to be careful then be sorry.

dude, just becuase he works at a pet store doesnt make him herp intelligent. There was a local pet store in my town that lasted about 4 years. it was terrable! you could smell it down the block! Just becuase it was there for x many years does it make it reliable? NO!

i dont care what you have to say, before i make another post or apologize for this, i want to see a picture too.

The goliath frog is endangered. i have never seen one on the internet shop. Or any respectable breeders, i dont think Joe Blow's Pet shop would have them. If they did i would turn them in for selling endangered animals.

If you were any kind of person and knew they were selling endangered animals you would turn them in!

aj
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kungfu28181: My god. You are insane. -Mon Jun 30 21:41:05

Geee sounds almost like a troll to me

Hey if you like spending lot of money on stuff that's not what it's supposed to be why don't you buy my bombina orientalis they go for a lot of money. Just go ahead and make me an offer over $100.00 and he's yours. LOL That's basically what you did at that pet shop.

Well, I'll buy your FBTs, but only if you LABEL them as dwarf fire-bellied-goliath morphs! $150 apiece, so I can sell the 300,000 SURVIVING froglets for a grand each!!

Here's a little reading for you

http://www.amnh.org/nationalcenter/Endangered/frog/frog.html

http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/amphib_query?table=amphib&special=one_record&where-genus=Conraua&where-species=goliath

Here is a picture

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Heather

Are you sure you wern't ripped off and it's not a Bull Frog or maybe even a Pig Frog?

http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/rana/r._grylio$narrative.html
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Heather

I don't think he wants to come to terms with it quite yet.. he's still busy trying to sell future froglets at 2.5 times what he paid for the adults. He's just disillusioned by the ridiculous idea of getting rich with this.

oops... sorry that is a cane toad not a goliath. My bad
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Heather

Lol, I thought so... You shouldn't have said anything, though, maybe I could have caught some and sold them for a few hundred each I'd call them the unknown-rare morph or something, keep it vague, and hope people don't ask and just buy. Maybe I can be a millionaire and buy a bunch of tanks with the money.

Here you go:

If your frog looks nothing like these, then it's not a Goliath frog.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

The fuirst pictures didn't work, maybe this will,if not, here are the links:

www.didyouknow.cd/animals/graphics/frogbiggest.jpg
www.uniqueartistic.com/.../bronxzoo_images/Goliath.jpg

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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

He hasnt replyed becuase he is smart. He probibly has them (meaning two) in atleast a 500 gallon tank. Or he has converted his backyard into a amazonian jungle (couldnt think of an african name for it). He is getting imported food from africa. He even thinks his frogs have laid eggs! Hes signed a contract with FOX TV for a reality show documanted every step in the breeding of this frogs called "who wants to be a millionair also?"

Then he woke up and relized they ripped him a new butt hole and is to ashamed to say other wise to us because of his gloating.

aj
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kungfu28181: My god. You are insane. -Mon Jun 30 21:41:05

lol

there will be no goliath frogs for sale and i can not show a picture, i was taking pictures of them and i thought it would be a good picture to set them on my nile monitor, well he must have been hungary because he snapped them up so fast. o well, these kind of things happen. but the guy at the pet store said they will get some more in soon.

PLEASE! If you have enough money to blow on "real" goliath frogs that the pet guy can get on demand (hmm a nearly endangered species that no pet shop i have heard of has except for this one and he can get them on demand. Thats either a lie about the frogs or hes into illegal stuff). More power to you.

But once you, how should I say it, gain common herp knowledge, Please dont post about how your nile monitors had a $200 snack.

like some one said, TROLL!

p.s. I really, really try to be nice, but this entire thread takes the cake.

aj
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kungfu28181: My god. You are insane. -Mon Jun 30 21:41:05

They are not "nearly endangered." They are listed as Cites Appensix 1 which totally prohibits any moving and/or export of the frogs. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Who are you who can say it's ok to live through me? Alice In Chains

Presently, they are not on any of the CITE appendices I,II,or III. They are on the red list as vulnerable, though. For the complete current lists click the link, then go to the appendices listings for 2003.
CITES

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus
D. imitator
D. leukomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos (soon)

Go from the home page to CITES species (on left). This will take you to a link to the appendices highlighted in the text. Sorry about the error.
CITES

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus
D. imitator
D. leukomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos (soon)

I think he is lieing about his nile monitor(If he really has one)eating his "goliath frogs". He probably just didn't want to deal with the fact that they aren't goliath frogs. He probably also lied about that because it would be very humiliating to say they weren't Goliaths after such a long argument.

Definitely.. just what I was going to say.

Totally lying about what happened because he realized they weren't goliaths and needed an excuse for not posting pics. UGGH!!!

Before you spend another $200.00 each, check out the link below and look at the pictures. I think what you had was Pixicephalus adspersus--African bullfrog. Conraua goliath are not exported to the pet trade as there is a limited number of legal exports (300) each year and there is a waiting list of 2 or more years. They go to zoos, wildlife preserves that spend thousands of dollars in an attempt to simulate their habitat--cascading water falls, large pools. Even so, they do not do well in captivity. Neither have they ever been successfully captive bred. If it were possible for someone like you to keep, breed and raise them at home, they would already be common in the pet trade and inexpensive. This is economic logic.

Exporters list both Conraua goliath and Pixicephalus under the common name of bullfrog, so a mix-up in labeling could have occurred that might not be the fault of the pet store, but should have been the responsibility of the importer and distributor to catch. By the way, the wholesale export price of an African bullfrog (Pixicephalus) is $1.28 apiece.
Pixicephalus

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus
D. imitator
D. leukomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos (soon)

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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Bad enough I'll refrain from using some comic relief to get over it, just because I pity the situation and the person by now!

Hell, that was a lie.

One message for MadMaxx--whoops, there go your billions!!

np
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus
D. imitator
D. leukomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos (soon)

goodness people, I've read the entire thread, and I can't see how any of you are believing a single word this person types. He or she has NEVER bought a goliath frog {nor anything labeled as such} and never set them atop his monitor lizard for a good picture. every post is a comment made to ensure the biggest reaction. And just about all of you stepped right into this pile of crap, in turn fueling his or her stupid little fire.