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.. this is one of a litter born here in 2003.. nice snakes, colorful, reduced black pigment, soft-saddles, big bright tails.. plus they have a kind of xanthic-thing happening.

What should we call these?
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Gus
A. Rentfro
RioBravoReptiles.com
www.riobravoreptiles.com

"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

some of the best yellow "pastels" out there!

Beautiful boa

Why should they be outbred to anything? We'll inbreed them and make Lemon Boas or Lemon Pastels.

If it proves out and they make super-pastels of some sort then I can sell them to people wanting to get yellow into their projects as LEMON-AIDE!
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Gus
A. Rentfro
RioBravoReptiles.com
www.riobravoreptiles.com

"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

one day. And I'll gladly outcross it to a Davey pastel .

P.S. - Davey just proved his patriarch one more time to a different female... The results were VERY promising. Unfortunately none lived.

I thought you were staying out of the morph things or does this if it proves out considered a morph? Just curious if your going to get into morphism now. Paul

You thought.... but you don't get it. (no insult intended). Don't worry! That side of the industry is all yours.

Friend, I'm poking a little fun at the craze to name things, that's all. I think that boa is pretty and a little unusual but so what? It's really not anything special. A lot of the traits we value are not uncommon, even anerythrism and hypomelanism. Those pop up quite frequently (though randomly) in F1 litters. We don't know what holds these traits in check in most wild populations but in captivity they survive (even thrive). If they interest you, go for it.

Every litter of boas has something a little special in it. I guess if one person works with that trait and polishes it up to the point that the offspring of those animals then produce a predictable quantity of progeny which display a visible amount of those targeted traits then they have made something. Call it a MORPH if it is no longer closely related to it's wild great-grandparents or call it a phase if it is still a Colombian or a Nicaragua boa or whatever.

For myself, having seen a whole lot of boas over many years, it is not the particular looks of a Pastel or a Reverse Stripe or a Jungle boa or (insert your project here) that mean anything.. because I see those looks (to some extent) in very many boas!.. it is the work and time and dedication to those multi-generational projects that impresses me and is the worth of the MORPH.. it ain't easy and it takes time..

So, while I am not a MORPHER (and am not getting into that) I respect my colleagues who are and I see the value of their work.

Thanks for reading this!
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Gus
A. Rentfro
RioBravoReptiles.com
www.riobravoreptiles.com

"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

No prob. I was just checking i thought you were starting to change into a morpher lol. You can always name it the pissing boa lol.... Paul

That is an awesome one in the picture...what is it? Poor ad for lemon-aid but sure is an eye pleaser! Andy

I don't know what term would be better suited in describing boas that I have produced so far but "line " suggests that I have inbred them to achieve the color,and reduction in black. I have had three litters (the last one born yesterday 8 slugs, 5 premie, DOA) All have had the same results, and all have been from different mothers. The first mother was a peachy looking pastelish boa, the second was a clean darker grey animal, and the last was BLACK..all produced "pastel" babies, all produced laterally striped animals, all produced ladder and striped tails.
Gus, do any of yours that look likethat have connected side medallions? Could make things interesting if they do.
Thanks to all who have complimented my boas here.
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Davey Giltner

any pics of the lateral stripers?
Are you finding the trait in your boas to be genetic?
I have a lat striped female I hope to see if there is anything going on there (came from a litter with half the babies with the same type of stripe, I don't know if there were any laddertails or other pattern abnormalities tho)
feel free to drop me an email
thanks..
-april

April,
I will dig through my pics tonight. The father of my..uh..."line" is latterally striped, and over half of the babies from each litter are also latteraly striped. ALl three litters had lat striped babies, so I think I am safe to say it is some how being passed on through genetics, along with the color, and small pattern abnormalities.
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Davey Giltner

Nice boa Gus!
Davey Glitner of DP / DaveyPastel fame has been producing very yellow pastels for a couple years now.

His line looks alot like this animal you posted, but may have less black around the tail area.

The color reminds me of Davey's line, immediately.

I think the extra yellow is called Erythrism, I believe Axanthic would be no yellow.

Great boa!

take care, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Joe I think you were typing to fast bro. The root word for the pigment doesn't change to fit the concentration of the pigment.
Xanthin I believe is yellow, melanin is black, and erythrin red .
the prefix is what changes the concentration, a or an being (as in Amelanistic) none, hypo (as in hyomelanistic) less, hyper more.
I solid yellow boa would be xanthic, a high yellow boa would be hyperxanthic.
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Davey Giltner

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

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