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I guess Kerby's the best one to answer this Question.. but i'm willing to hear all input

What's the difference btwn an Albino Hi-white and an Albino Banana... i mean apperance wise.

If i wanted an albino Banana what would i look for so i won't end up with an albino Hi-white?

Thanx

~ZF

Hi-whites are mostly white and bananas are mostly yellow?
someone please correct me if i'm wrong

I got that down and cover when it comes to normals... but when it comes to albinos what's there do differentiate the 2???

BTW: nice lil Cali... i'm slowly getting back into cali kings

~ZF

now we need a albino hi-white

Although your cal king pictured is a nice snake, I wouldn't call it an Albino Banana. If it wasn't an albino it would be an aberrant, not a banana. So I would call it an Albino Aberrant.

Just my opinion (whoopie doo LOL)

Kerby...

Oh... i see now... thanx

Have u ever crossed the two... if so what was the result?

~ZF

I have and IMO yellow dominates over white. Breeding a hard yellow with a hard white will produce hard yellows, a lot of mellow yellows, creams, and no hard whites. I'm not saying that you can't get the hard white back after selective breeding, just a lot of work. The yellow is immediate.

Kerby...

Thanx for that info...

~ZF

Those ones that look like albino hi-whites when they hatch out but then turn into albino banana's? I have one like that. Will she always have banana babies? Or will some of them be hi-whites if she bred to a hi-white?

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=846265,846378

I will admit that I've hatched out Albino High Whites that ended up turning yellow as adults, thus not being "Albino High White" anymore. That has only happened a few times, as most stay white. Also some become even whiter as adults than as babies. With selective breeding (for whiter) then I believe that the success rate is higher for whiter. That has been the case for me as I've now done a few generations.

Chris, are you coming to the Tucson show? If so I will take care of that yellow cal king for a white one.

Kerby...

The albino gene comes from the coastal cal king and the white gene comes from the desert king. Anytime you have a high white it has costal (yellow) in it because it was created over many generations to outbreed the black (make more yellow). Since the yellow coastal phase cal kings had more yellow (ie bannana) they were bred to desert cals (white)and then bred to albinos which came from coastals.

The whole "race" was to get the higher percentage of white- yellow by outcossing the bannana into the desert cal kings and then selective breeding to get more white cal kings. Then the albino gene was introdced and the race continued for the higher percentage of white for the albino gene.

whew!

I guess you're never too old to learn... I thought the amel gene in cali kings just occurred in all of um (coastal, desert, striped)

Thanx for the history lesson... now may be you give me another... I'm really fascinated with Brooksi as you may know but I'm not clear on which morphs came first... can you list them for me (i.e. what came 1st 2nd 3rd etc...) and do U know who was the first to produce them?

Thanx in advance

~ZF

axnathic- Lloyed Lemke and some guys in the New England states.
hypo- Bill and Kathy Love and maybe Doug Beard

lavender- Tim Ricks
Whitesided- Tim Ricks

What about the red eyed albinos and your peanut butters?

and do u have any clue who was the first to produce snows and ghost?

and were you the first to produce the sulfur lavenders?
they are lavenders but the male i have looks sooo much diff that both the orange lavenders i have.

Thanx

~ZF

What about the red eyed albinos and your peanut butters?

The red eyes are fake and the PB's are from a guy who got w/c animals from the Loves.

and do u have any clue who was the first to produce snows and ghost?
Nope. Probably several people in the first year.

and were you the first to produce the sulfur lavenders?
they are lavenders but the male i have looks sooo much diff that both the orange lavenders i have.

The sulfur lavender are nothing more than a Tim Ricks lavender bred to a sulfur phase and then the hets were raised up to breed lav's.

~ZF