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Hi Everyone,

I was wondering, if you breed a co-dom(say a pastel) male ball and a simple resessive gene male (say an albino) you produce a clutch from the female of 8 eggs. Now lets say there are no pastels. I know there is a chance of the entire clutch not having a pastel based on statisical calulations but can that clutch be 100% hets as well? If anyone has every tried this experiment please chime in. Any help is appricated.

Thx for looking,
Dave

I asked a very similar question a while ago, so I may be able to provide an answer.

First...The normal-looking hatchlings would either be (A) normals produced by the Pastel male or (B) Possible Heterozygous Albinos produced by the Heterozygous Albino male. Since both forms of hatchlings look the same and since both may occur within the same clutch, you would not be able to distinguish the hatchlings from one another. You MAY be able to get away with calling these normal-looking hatchlings 25% Possible Heterozygous Albinos, but that is stretching it a bit thin.

Second...I would suggest (along with many breeders) that you dedicate each Normal breeder female to a specific morph project. The reason for this is that females can retain sperm for long periods of time. There are several stories of females laying clutches that were not even bred that season. These females retained the sperm from a previous season -- at least a year or more ago. That means that if you breed your Normal female to a codominant such as a Pastel one season (regardless of whether she lays or not) and then to a simple recessive such as an Albino the next season, the normal-looking hatchlings from the Albino breeding MAY NOT be 100% Heterozygous Albino at all. They MAY be the normal offspring of the earlier season's Pastel male.

All in all, if you plan on breeding multiple males...make sure they are both either (A) the same exact morph or (B) both codominant.

(SIDE NOTE: This is only a theory, but I believe when using multiple codominant males it is best to use males of the same value or market price. Sperm is competitive. It will fight, kill, and/or race against other sperm from a secondary male. If you introduce both a Pastel and a Leucistic to the same female, you take a chance on the $1,000 Pastel sperm fighting, killing, and/or winning the race against the $10,000-plus Leucistic sperm. Of course, if you don't care much for the money and simply enjoy seeing multiple morphs hatch from a single clutch...go for it!)

Chris
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mean people suck

that's all you could faithfully call the normal babies then...you cannot tell if they are normals from pastel or hets from the amel..so you would have to call them 50% hets and lose your butt in the cash.....

do not do this.....

multiple males are ok for co-dom morphs only.....

to make my hets even more guarenteed of being het for sure no mistakes.I use vergin females usually......(I have switched some females starting this year)......

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good luck....use 2 girls.......(40?)
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Oops! I thought he was breeding a Heterozygous Albino. Sorry. You're absolutely right. You could only call the normal-looking hatchlings Possible (50%) Heterozygous Albinos.

(I feel silly sometimes.)

Chris
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mean people suck

It's not good to mix like this. I would just call them possibles and explain the details to a potential buyer. Personally, I would treat them as normals. You don't know when or which male may have fertilized the egg and you are reducing the chance that they are hets. Just because there were no pastels does not mean there's an increased chance that the offspring are hets. Sell the males as normals, keep the females and breed them to an albino and confirm.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

Super Pastel and any Simply recessive male to 1 female, yes.
Results = Pastels and normals. Normal are 100% hets.
Results = All Pastels
Results = All normal. Normal are 100% hets.

So goes for
Super Yellow Belly aka Ivory
Super Mojave
Super Cinnamon
Super Spot Nose aka Power Ball
Lucy from Lesser X Lesser
Lucy from Fire x Fire
etc...

GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

Thx for the input. I guess I'll be sticking to the one male, one female senario. Just curious as to what happens but after those explainations I won't be tring it.

Thx again for the help,
Dave