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Generic goini?

Tony D Jul 19, 2005 08:03 AM

In his classic style, Aaron made a great post down thread that rally touched the heart of the Blaze pure stand off. In it he proposed the following deffinition of a generic animals, “a subspecies for which there is not a complete known lineage yet has no specific knowledge of anything being added to it and matches the wild phenotype”. He further added that, “Such animals would be considered pure with the understanding that there may be undetectable impurities in their backround”.

This is basically how I approach selling my animals that have unknown lineages. I sell them as the subspecies they appear to be IF I have no specific knowledge or reason to believe they have been crossed to anything else. This is the way things have gone on for years. Sean may have WC goini but he was also in diapers when I got my first pair. My guess is that 20 years from now nobody will be tracing their goini to his even if it’s the case.

This is why I do not like the use of either “pure” or “generic”. PURE DENOTED SOMETHING WE CAN NOT KNOW and in my estimation its continued use is less than honest. Taxonomically even wild caught locality specimens may not be “pure”. Intergrades are not “pure”. Animals that may look like classic subspeices but live adjecent integration zones may not be “pure” due to gene flow. Also, and some will argue with this, but sometimes wild snakes hybridize and its likely that some of these offspring end up breeding back to one of the parent species.

I can’t produce an equally complete argument against using the word “generic” other than that its use IMHO lends credability to those who make claims that their animals are “pure”. Those who need or desire to label stock as “pure” or “locality” are relative newcomers to the party and it seems to me that they need to make the case of how their stock is different.

Replies (3)

bluerosy Jul 19, 2005 09:56 AM

n/p

Sean Jul 19, 2005 02:26 PM

My guess is that 20 years from now nobody will be tracing their goini to his even if it’s the case.

I don't think Ray and Steve Sokol thought anyone would do the same thing with the pair they found back in March 2002. But what do you know, after 10 years at least one person did.

Tony D Jul 19, 2005 02:44 PM

Okay Sean "nobody" was a poor choice but give me a break, you're one guy tracing things down after ten years. Thats a far cry from it being common after 20! The fact is unless you do a little selective breeding to develope your line, and occasionally bring in new blood to keep it strong nobody (ops strike that) few people will care. Once removed from the wild your snakes are just like mine. They are just so many cut flowers. Yours just aren't as pretty.

Want to excite me with wild type snakes? Post some pics of goini you left in the field!!!!!

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