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Why do some genetic guarantees have time limits -- one, three, or five years?

Just Curious,
Chris
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mean people suck

I have seen some that have 5 year limits - most say will prove in 2 clutchs - As someone that will have hets on the market next year - I'll go with two clutch - tho I like the thought of limiting it to 5 (or so) years cause it'd be a pain if 10 years after the sale someone tries to collect one an old washed up overbred animal. (LOL)

In other words - I don't know.
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Tosha

"One of these days i am going to wake up..look around...and realize my place looks more like "Ace Venturas"s than my own." Coldthumb

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul "JP"
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 lizard rescued from vicious feline

I understand offering a REFUND for a limited amount of time. I just don't understand guaranteeing the GENETICS for a limited amount of time.

Oh, well...

Chris
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mean people suck

Chris,
The time limit protects the seller. If someone bought a pair of het albinos. Then after 2 years of breeding they don't produce an albino then chances are they are not hets. Now the guy decides to use that female for his mojave, pastel, etc. for the next 5 years and get lots of baby morphs. Then calls the orignal guy back and says they didn't prove out I want my money back. Don't think I'd like that Ron
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The Crawl Space

I understand. And maybe I am asking the wrong question...

I understand the seller wishing to protect himself by placing a time limit on REFUNDS. This assures that the buyer may not exploit the animal for several years and claim a full refund.

I do not understand placing a time limit on the GENETIC GUARANTEE...unless of course heterozygous animals sometimes spontaneously become normals.

Does that make more sense?

Chris
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mean people suck

I guess I always figured that they are one in the same - if you can't get a visual from this animal you get your money back. I mean I don't think it's possible for the het to stop producing visual morphs so if it proves or not in the first few years what difference does it make after that if the genetics are there? I can see if the animal is passed between people over the years that there might be an issue with the genetics guarantee no longer being valid, but the seller would be able to provide evidence of the genetics through offspring produced.

I guess I don't understand what kind of genetics gurarantee would be needed????

I have two geneetics guarantees that aren't valid if I sell the animal without first having the original breeder reissue the guarantee to the new buyer. Seems like a lot of work but you gotta CYA !!!
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Tosha

"One of these days i am going to wake up..look around...and realize my place looks more like "Ace Venturas"s than my own." Coldthumb

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul "JP"
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 lizard rescued from vicious feline

Chris,
What if someone bred an albino to a normal female. He gets nine eggs, all hatch so he assumes they are hets. However he forgot that (A) last year he bred that female to a normal male, or (B)he bought the female and is unaware she was bred to a normal the year before and retained sperm!! Hence the albino did not father the clutch or he fathered just part of it. My guarantee for hets I produced is simple. If the buyer breeds it to a homo I gaurantee a visual morph the first year. If he breeds it to a het (FROM ME) I guarantee a visual morph within the first 2 breeding years. If he breeds it to a het from another party I don't gaurantee anything until he trys one of the first 2 options above. If he decides to sell to another party he assumes any guarantees. If some rules are not set then we'd have to many people taking advantage. Ron
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The Crawl Space

I totally agree.

Chris
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mean people suck

Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

>>I do not understand placing a time limit on the GENETIC GUARANTEE...unless of course heterozygous animals sometimes spontaneously become normals.

The guarantee pertains to the refund.
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

NAMED BEST REPTILE STORE IN LOS ANGELES

I understand. I just think the terms of refund and the guarantee of genetics should be separate items. That's all.

Guarantee the genetics (lifetime). State the return policy (limited). All is good.

I guess I am a little too particular about legal paperwork.

Oh, well...

Chris
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mean people suck

>>I understand. I just think the terms of refund and the guarantee of genetics should be separate items. That's all.
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>>Guarantee the genetics (lifetime). State the return policy (limited). All is good.
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>>I guess I am a little too particular about legal paperwork.
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It is sorta like saying. "I guarantee the genetics". "The guarantee is blah blah blah....."

Best!
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

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"Nobody including the landlord's attorney knew what was meant. LOL."

Not THAT is funny! =)

Chris
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mean people suck

>>"Nobody including the landlord's attorney knew what was meant. LOL."
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>>Not THAT is funny! =)

Kinda dumb if ya ask me. All this education and power and no common sense. I find it very common in that business.
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