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Another Page In The Leucistic History Books!

Greg Graziani Jul 22, 2005 09:41 AM

At Daytona we entered into a breeding loan with Vin Russo of Cutting Edge Herp. He offered us one of his yearling Het Leucistic males to breed to one of our 18 month old Mojave females. Seeing that the Mojave to Lesser Platinum produced a Blue Eyed Leucistic we were sure that a Russo line Het Leucistic to Mojave would also produce Blue Eyed Leucistics. Not only were we lucky enough to get the 18 month old Mojave to produce but she laid 7 eggs and produced 2 Blue Eyed Leucistics.





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Replies (17)

ALbinoboa7 Jul 22, 2005 09:52 AM

Those are some beauties for sure, and the 18 month old female to produce 7 eggs! What was her weight? Congats again.

Herpquest Jul 22, 2005 10:00 AM

Nice one Greg - well done!!! Eric Davies

TSKinc Jul 22, 2005 10:18 AM

Awesome Greg & Vin!!!!!!!!

Those are beauties!!!!!!

I have always seen the VALUE of the mojaves maybe now EVERYONE can see it.

Dan

Tracy Barker Jul 22, 2005 04:23 PM

and I have always seen the value in the Vin Russo animals, now hopefully everyone can see it!! I got our animals from Vin and produced some beautiful babies last year!!!

Congrats Vin and Greg for trying the cross!!!

Tracy/VPI

MauledSparky Jul 22, 2005 04:53 PM

Man, I wish I would have seen the value when your value was half what it is today.....

Pretty snake.

Oz Jul 22, 2005 10:25 AM


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Corey Woods Jul 22, 2005 01:27 PM

Greg,

Congrats on the little white worms!

I don't know what this will mean for Vins Het Lucys.......

Corey

ginebig Jul 22, 2005 02:16 PM

And I'll bet Vin will want at least one of those as payment They look great!! Congrats.

Quig

OC-Balls Jul 22, 2005 03:01 PM

Congrats!
Ken
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1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
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ASFReptiles Jul 22, 2005 03:12 PM

Great fine. Thanks for sharing.

Continued Success. Whats next?

GOD Bless
Andre
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See ya in Daytona.

Markus Jayne Jul 22, 2005 03:22 PM

Do you think that this new leucy, when bred to a normal, will produce leucys, much the same way that a Pewter produces Pewters when bred to a normal.

Mark
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dumje Jul 22, 2005 06:12 PM

A pewter is a combo of 2 different representations...like a snow. This Lucy will produce Mojave and Vins Lemons...I should use the word should not will. If it was a blending of 2 different genes on 2 different locations you would get a smudging of the Mojave and Lemon...like Pastel / Mojave...Pewter...like Pastel crossed with anything really.
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Greg Graziani Jul 22, 2005 07:10 PM

That these Leucistics when bred to normals will produce 25% normals, 25% Mojavies, 25% Het Leucistics and 25% Leucistics. Because the Mojave and Het Leucistic are two totally different mutations but the combination of the two mutations produces a Leucistic. We believe that these will work just like Bumble Bees or Pewter Pastels, but this is only our theory and only time will tell.

Greg
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RandyRemington Jul 23, 2005 08:53 AM

Are there any similarities between the heterozygous Russo animals and the Mojaves? Belly, color, anything? I sure think the more similar looking ones (lesser, mojave, phantom, maybe even butter) are different mutations of the same gene. There is even a theory that the platy effect is caused by yet another mutation of that same gene that apparently has little or no effect by it's self so is quite different so I could still see the Russo line being yet another mutant variant (allele) of the same gene - especially if there are any similarities. But then again, the big test will be to raise these up and breed them and see if they can produce normal or leucistic with normals. Are either of them male?

MarkS Jul 22, 2005 04:38 PM

I don't see any pattern on them either. Do they have one and I'm just not seeing it? I've noticed that all of the other mojave leucistics had some faint yellow/off white striping but these don't appear to have any. Very nice.

Mark

>>At Daytona we entered into a breeding loan with Vin Russo of Cutting Edge Herp. He offered us one of his yearling Het Leucistic males to breed to one of our 18 month old Mojave females. Seeing that the Mojave to Lesser Platinum produced a Blue Eyed Leucistic we were sure that a Russo line Het Leucistic to Mojave would also produce Blue Eyed Leucistics. Not only were we lucky enough to get the 18 month old Mojave to produce but she laid 7 eggs and produced 2 Blue Eyed Leucistics.
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alicecobb Jul 22, 2005 05:31 PM

n/p
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swreptile Jul 23, 2005 12:28 AM

could not happen to a better guy

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