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hi, I am thinking about breeding piebald balls and i was just wondering what will be the results if i breed a 100% het male to a 100% het female? And also, what are the chances that people would buy the snakes from me as opposed to a well known breeder?

Thanks

I have been thinking of this because we got 3 good eggs from our het pied to het pied breeding yesterday. Het to het gives you a 25% chance of getting a pied, a 50% chance of getting a het pied and a 25% chance of getting a normal. So right now I have about a 20% chance of hatching a pied because I have 3 eggs.

As for people buying from you, pieds are a little safer because it is apparent if you have a pied or not. If the snake is healthy and you have some good references of people who have bought other animals from you, then you should be fine selling them. I guess we will find out because we are in the same boat as you are, as we are relatively new to the ball pythons. I did sell all my 50% het males last year from my het to normal breeding. If we hatch out a male, he will be staying here to determine if the 50% het pied girls we have are hets or not. Pieds should be in demand for a long time because of their looks. They are just such a dramatic morph.

Justin

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Quig

Actually you dont have a 20% shot at a pied with 3 eggs, you have a 20% shot they will ALL be pied. You have about (I am just ball parking it, I just had lunch and the thought of a calculator makes me sleepy) a 70% chance one of them will be pied.

Ben

I like that way of saying it much better. That is the way to look at it! Makes me feel much better about the odds. I was just saying overall if I have a 25% chance with 4 eggs of getting one, then with 3 eggs I have about a 20% chance, but I'll think of it as a 70% chance of hatching one.
Australian Addiction Reptiles (and ball pythons)

Actually if you had 4 eggs, don't think of it as a 25% chance on the the clutch to get 1 pied it is actually a 25% chance on EACH egg. So with each egg there is a 25% chance, not on the clutch as a whole. Hope that makes sense. Because If you have 4 eggs and you have a 25% chance on EACH egg then your chances of getting a pied is quite a bit greater than just 25%. Anyway, i'm starting to get confusing I'm sure! Good luck

Jason

I'm not sure how you derived your probability percentages.

there is not a 20% prob. to get all pieds, I calculate 1.5625% for all pieds.

to calculate the prob. of at least 1 pied, it is easier to find the prob. of no pied, and subtracting that from 1.
1 being the total percentage.

here are my calculations if you see an error let me know.

so I get a 57.8125% of at least one pied from a clutch of 3 het X het eggs.

sorry I'm avoiding work on a Sat. morning LOL

TomChambers

with a het to het breeding the possibilities of a het are 66%. All of the normal appearing balls would be considered a probable het rather than a possible het.
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In a clutch of 4 ~ theoretically you would get one pied, two hets and a normal. It may take longer for you to sell a pied than an established breeder - but the markets there and someone will buy it.
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Tosha

"One of these days i am going to wake up..look around...and realize my place looks more like "Ace Venturas"s than my own." Coldthumb

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul "JP"
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 lizard rescued from vicious feline

a top breeder they are going to go to the top breeder. So with pieds being between $5,000 and $8500 you would need to give a buyer a reason to purchase from you over a big breeder.
Rene

I have never and will never buy from the big breeders, I only buy from and support the little guys.

thanks for all the help every one!

i wish i could afford some pieds to breed, but i guess i have to settle with the hets. a 1/4 chance per snake for pied isnt that bad. i just wish the females were cheaper (the best i could find was like $1400)
also i have one more question. because there is a chance i will hatch some normals, how can i tell the het babies from the normals?

You cant tell the difference between the Hets and the Normals, that's why they are called POSSIBLE hets. Some may have markers, but I don't think that is a sure thing. (I'm just a new guy, so don't quote me on this.)
Good luck on your breeding.
Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

That said, the reason you see ones people can claim are 100% het are because they came from breeding an actual piebald to a normal (all babies will be hets) or a piebald to a het piebald (half piebald, half het).