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Most of the Kings I've found around the ANF Pics

Sean Jul 23, 2005 01:02 AM

Just thought I'd share photos of the getula I've found in and around the Apalachicola National Forest. 1st pic is the very first king I found in the ANF in Wakulla Co., FL back in 2001. It was a dor and a beautiful specimen. Wish I had a better camera back then and had collected this specimen. A nice blotched, wide banded king that had some AK influence but obviously was more Eastern as it's blotches were completely dark with no lightening.

The next king I found in the ANF was also a dor but I never got any pics. The third was a juvenile found in Leon Co., FL. Not the best pic but it shows the wide bands typical of the intergrades. This specimen along with many other dors was collected and submitted to Kenney Krysko at the University of Florida to be entered at the museum.

Since I had found two dors on the same road that year, I decided to focus on that same area. Later in 2002 I found this dor on the same road...it had just been hit in front of me and still alive when found.

I still didn't have a decent camera at the time so I decided to scan the snake instead. Pic came out pretty decent. Anyway, not even one week later, I hit this same road and finally found my first live getula in the ANF around 10pm. A typical intergrade but who was complaining.

This specimen was a male so I now hoped to find a female to pair it up with. In July 2003, Pierson Hill and I went road cruising south of the ANF and on a very slow night, Pierson grabbed this male Apalachicola King from the edge of the road in Franklin Co., FL...this snake would later make it's film debut in Bruce Mean's documentary aired on the National Geographic Channel.

2004 was not the greatest year for road cruising. I didn't have that many good nights finding snakes and even though I cruised the same roads as the year before, I only found one king on a road I rarely ever hit. This dor female was found in Gulf Co., FL after a rainstorm had passed through earlier.

This was obviously more of an Eastern looking king with the thin bands but look at all that interband lightening! It was a female too. I would have loved to add it to my collection to breed with what I have but oh well. Nothing I could do. So now we're into 2005. Back in May I found this dor king, more of an Eastern but with some of the Apalachicola influence.

Not the neatest looking king from this area but sad to see killed on the road. Not too long ago, I would have certainly liked to have found this one alive. A male intergrade found dor on my lucky road in Leon Co.

One of the prettiest kings I've seen in this area. Can't believe someone swerved to hit him. Well two weeks later I was more than lucky to find this female under some cover not even a 1/2 mile from where I found my first live one.

She's not the prettiest but at least I finally have a locality pair. Hope you all enjoyed the post!

Replies (13)

antelope Jul 23, 2005 07:06 AM

I loved it! Great post and pics of great snakes!
Todd Hughes

Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:58 PM

Thanks Todd!

haddachoose1 Jul 23, 2005 07:45 AM

Great looking kings Sean. Too bad most of them were squished. It will be interesting to see what you end up with from that pairing. By the way, thanks for the info.
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Tim

Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:57 PM

No problem Tim. If you need anything else, just let me know. I'm happy to help any way I can.

Sean

Keith Hillson Jul 23, 2005 08:47 AM

Hey Sean

Beautiful animals ! There is just way too many dor's there and its a huge shame.

Keith
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Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:56 PM

Yeah the amont of dors is just sad. And to think I was probably within 30 minutes or so of finding several of those alive. I guess I'm lucky to have found the live ones though.

Phil Peak Jul 23, 2005 04:28 PM

Great post Sean! Whether DOR or alive the assortment of kings you have come across in the forest is interesting to see. The variation within that area is amazing. Thanks for sharing. Phil

Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:54 PM

Thanks Phil! The variation is amazing. Can't wait to see what this one pair produces next year!

mayday Jul 24, 2005 09:03 AM

it shows the variablity of what the kings look like in that restricted area. No wonder there has been so much confusion over the years!
But, the closer you get to the western half of the Apalachicola National Forest and then south of Telogia Creek, the more speckled the kings become. This would indicate (as Means and Krysko pointed out) that whatever the ancestor of these 'blotched kings' was, it was centered there.
Something that makes me laugh the though is the old view that the blotched king was an intergrade between the eastern king and the Florida king. How on Earth do you come up with that?

Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:53 PM

Something that makes me laugh the though is the old view that the blotched king was an intergrade between the eastern king and the Florida king. How on Earth do you come up with that?

I laugh at the same thing Carl. Some people really believe in that idea but how in the world can you prove it? Have you seen the Mosaic EKs Kevin Enge has been working with? He gets striped specimens that look almost identical to the striped AK forms. Seems to me that this is proof it's just a pattern variation amongst the population of Easterns and has nothing to do with FL Kings at all.

Aaron Jul 24, 2005 11:27 AM

Good post, the variation in the kings of that region is cool.

Sean Jul 24, 2005 09:49 PM

The variation is more than interesting. Why people want to breed these with Brooksi/FL kings is beyond me.

Aaron Jul 25, 2005 05:10 AM

Strange how there are all kinds of arguements about how it is nothing to breed brooksi, floridana and easterns with goini because goini is not a real subspecies and we wonder whether goini is an ancient intergrade or a degraded subspecies of it's own and yet when somebody says they caught a goini we know exactly what they are talking about. Sometimes it may look more floridana or more eastern but we still know those are part of the uniqueness of goini.

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