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Okay , if the parents of a clutch of corns with both multi hets what would the babies be .

Well that depends on the hets.... If the parents share a het trait, say they were both het for motley then you would have some motley babies and a few other hets. assuming that this is the only trait they both share then you will have normals and motleys het for a whole bunch of stuff. If they were say, both het motley both het amel you would have motleys, amel motleys and normals all het for the leftovers. if the parents share no hets then you will have 100% normals het for all of that good stuff!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches" (Didn't name her!)

say you had a normal pair of corns 1.1 and wanted to breed them. lets say the mother is het amel, het motley, and het hypo. and the father is het stripe, het bloodred, and het charcoal. (these are just examples) would the offspring be 100% normal het amel, motley, hypo, stripe, bloodred, and charcoal..... or would only some be het for a scattered amount of these? just curious....
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches" (Didn't name her!)

Yeah i wonder that too. How many hets can a corn "fit" in their genetic background?
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1.0 alb. okeetee "Grissom"
1.0 Pit Crew's Sun and Shadow "Vanyel"
0.1 CH Grey Castle Hot Tamale "Willow"

With that combination you would get all normals where about 25% of them are motley-striped. Motley and striped are basically different extremes of the same gene... so that 25% of the snakes could end up looking motley, striped, or in between. All of the snakes would be possible hets for all of the other genes. Basically, this means that some are hets and some aren't, but you don't know which are what until you prove them by breeding them. This is where you see the 50% possible het, or 66% possible hets for sale a lot.

There is no limit to the amount of hets a snake can have, but usually you either lose track of them because they are only possible hets, or the snake displays that morph, no longer making it a "het" for that morph. I've posted this before, but I will again. For basic recessive genes just follow this:

Normal x het = all possible hets
het x het = 25% would display the morph, rest are possible hets
het x morph = half would display the morph, half would be hets
morph x morph = all morph
Normal x morph = all hets

Keep in mind this doesn't work for combined genes such as snow or ghost. For example, a snow displays both anery and amel at the same time, so in order to get that, both parent snakes would have to carry both anery and amel genes (either displaying them or being het for them).

It may seem confusing at first, but once you're around it a while it will start to make more sense

-Will

>>say you had a normal pair of corns 1.1 and wanted to breed them. lets say the mother is het amel, het motley, and het hypo. and the father is het stripe, het bloodred, and het charcoal. (these are just examples) would the offspring be 100% normal het amel, motley, hypo, stripe, bloodred, and charcoal..... or would only some be het for a scattered amount of these? just curious....
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That was a bit too much for me to figure out so I went to the MP genetics wizard.

here are the results... all would be normal with the possible hets listed

1/64 normal
1/64 het. Charcoal
1/64 het. Stripe
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe
1/64 het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe
1/64 het. Amel, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Motley
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Motley
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Motley
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley
1/64 het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Motley
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Motley
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley
1/64 het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Hypo
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/64 het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
1/64 het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo, het. Bloodred
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I don't understand why the offspring wouldn't each be het for every single trait.... can somebody explain it simply to me? because the parents had the genes... why wouldn't the babies get all of them?
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches" (Didn't name her!)

Ok... here you go. Lets look at a more simple example. Lets look at some het combinations for one trait. Lets say that "AA" stands for a normal gene, and "aa" stands for a morph... say amel. Therefore the het's genes would be "Aa". The table below shows two breeding pairs. The top table shows a het breeding to another het. By dragging the letters of each into the boxes (kind of like a multiplication table), you get one AA, one aa and two Aa's. This shows how two hets bred together (het for the same thing) gives you 25% amels, 25% normals and 50% hets. However, we don't know which are hets and which are normal, so because 2/3's of them are hets, we just call them all 66% possible het for amel.
The table below that one shows a normal bred to a het. You get half normals and half hets, all of which look normal. That's where you call them 50% possible hets.
So you see, in order to get anything out of a het, it has to be bred with something else with the same gene, whether it be a het or something actually displaying that morph. If you breed two separate hets together (het for separate morphs that is), you'll just get snakes that are 50% possible het for one morph, and 50% possible het for the other morph. Now, this doesn't mean that Half are one het and half are the other. Some of them may be het for nothing, and others may be het for both morphs (which you call a double het). Because all of these snakes look normal though, all of the possible hets usually get forgotten in the snake trade... it's simply too much to keep track of. Every snake you'd see for sale would probably be 66% possible het for this and 50% possible het for that and this and so on. Although if it's a rare gene (like in the ball python trade) you'll see all of these percentages a lot, because people can still make a profit off of them. But corn snakes are to the point where there are so many genes floating around, people aren't too concerned with it.
Hope this helped!
-Will