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So took my collared to the vet today..

platinumtlc Jul 27, 2005 10:19 PM

He's the one with an eye infection and acting lethargic.

So the vet asked me like if I dusted my crickets, gutloaded, etc etc I said yes. He basically went over everything basic I already knew. He asked what I fed and I told him crickets and waxworms, and he said its not enough and I should feed him greens. He said they need the calcium that the greens have. Now I thought it was OK if the collareds did not eat greens, and that many do not? Was I wrong? Should I get greens now? He said he didn't get collareds in as often as other lizards, so I didn't know really if he knew what he was talking about. He has a bearded dragon and an iguana, so maybe thats why he figures everything has to eat greens?

He told me about mites and how the black spots on him aren't mites because they aren't moving, they are just his normal spots...
I didn't want to interrupt him and tell him I work at a petstore and know all these things already so I just let him talk.

So when we got down to the exam, he said to clean the eye out with a damp cotton ball or qtip and apply some of the antibiotic. The other eye started getting some discharge as well but he said I should just keep it clean and shouldnt over medicate.

When asked about him not being active, he said adjusting the diet should help. The things that were stuck to his anus, which I thought were dried up fecal matter, he said was not fecal matter but was a part of him, I forget what he called them. He said it was prob a male, which I knew already. He said I shouldnt try to remove the 2 things near his anus. He said I needed to bring in a fecal sample to check for parasites and that one covered in sand wouldn't matter cuz he can clean the sand off. He didnt say he could get a sample from inside.
What about parazap? Should i Buy that to help?

So should I go back to him with a sample? Or find another vet? Should I go and buy greens?
He also said temps should be around 80-90 at night, upper 70's is ok at night, and should be 90-100 during the day. He didn't say anything about a basking site, so I'm assuming he means the overall temp.

Should I take a fecal to another vet? Or to him? Or should I wait til after the eye infection clears up, or if it clears up?
He really threw me off with saying I should be feeding more greens.
And he also said the eye infection wouldn't kill him if it got worse, but would make him weak. I read here that the eye infection could kill him.

Well I have him and his friend on paper towels right now while I build a rock wall for a new 20L.

Replies (14)

lizard_lover Jul 27, 2005 11:03 PM

Hmmm . . . I think I'd find another vet if I were you.

First, collared lizards RARELY eat vegetable matter. Mine only did it by accident once or twice; if I dropped it into the cage and it looked alive to them because it was moving (bouncing), they might try it, otherwise they only ate insects. If your lizard needs more calcium than what he's getting on the dusted crickets/waxworms, you can give him NeoCal orally. It is a liquid calcium supplement from the vet that they will readily drink off the tip of a syringe. I have used it to nurse several lizards with metabolic bone disease back to health.

Keeping the eye clean is a good start, but I would also recommend treating the infection with antibiotics. There are two different opthalmic ointments that I have used in the past with good success. They are Gentocin and Mycitracin. I would apply one of these daily. I have also used Baytril in conjuction with the ointments, and have never seen any ill effects. I think Baytril is a good idea if there is a potential respiratory infection. However, some folks are more conservative with the use of antiobiotics, so I am only offering it as a suggestion.

I am guessing that the things you saw near his anus were his hemipenes. I had one lizard with inverted hemipenes that evetually died. I would NOT allow that to stay outside his body. The hemipenis needs to be carefully cleaned and gently coaxed back into the cloaca. If allowed to drag around on the floor, it will become swollen, infected, and eventually will probably cause the lizard to die. Unfortunately, I know from experience that it can be hard to treat. Even after successfully putting the hemipenes back inside my lizard he continued to invert them, and even stiches didn't keep them in after a while. I never knew what caused that to happen, but I could tell that it was very painful for my lizard.

I have never used Parazap. I don't even think it was on the market when I used to keep my collareds years ago. Instead, I alternated treating them with Panacur and Flagyl. They had to be carefully weighed, and my vet assisted me with the correct dosages; but once I got used to it, I treated them myself at home prophylactically. Mine were all wild caught lizards and came to me loaded with parasites, so they definitely needed to be treated for the intial infestation, and the medicines kept the parasites in check quite well.

In general, the things your vet said don't sound right to me. My experience with treating sick animals has been to use a much more aggressive approach. His wait and see method worries me. It also sounds like he doesn't know that much about collared lizards, and clearly you can't apply what you know about bearded dragons to treating these guys, they're not the same.

Follow your gut instincts on this one and seek another opinion from a qualified vet.

élan
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platinumtlc Jul 27, 2005 11:42 PM

Well the vet gave me neobacimyx for the eye infection.
Should i use it? I applied some that should be good for today.

Now where do i go!??! Seems like every vet I go to is out to kill my reptiles! How do I know if a vet is good enough for him? I am at such a loss. I am going to take a pic of his anus and post it here and see what it looks like to everyone.

lizard_lover Jul 28, 2005 06:38 AM

Of course use the medicine that he gave you. There are probably a lot of antiobiotic opthalmic ointments that work just fine.

I don't know where to tell you to go, but it might be helpful to see if there is anyone familiar with the area where you live who can recommend a good vet. It took me years to find mine.

élan
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0.3.0 Collareds
1.0.0 Mali Uromastix
0.0.1 Colombian Tegu
2.1.0 Green Anole
1.0.0 Chinese Dwarf Newt
1.1.0 California Newts
1.0.0 White's Treefrog
0.0.1 Green Tree Frog
1.0.0 Fire bellied toad
2.1.0 Felines
1.2.0 Canines
1.0.0 Equine

reptoman Jul 28, 2005 05:19 PM

I guess it's time to shake the dust of my old dictionary, you all are excellent!!!
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xelabou Jul 28, 2005 08:28 AM

was Corn ...

Pop-corn !

Not very healty, I think my Sara loved the way the chunk sticks to her tongue.

Thats not something I've gave often.

Btw, its wasnt microwave popcorn but rather homemade with olive oil.
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reptoman Jul 28, 2005 08:35 AM

I think you got excellent advise, by all means post a picture of his anus, but also I was the one that started the thread about eye infections, so let me re-caviot my intention, I am sort of tracking people that have had this problem with collards and it does seem to be an issue you need to get on. But as one of the problems is determining is it a sinus or upper respitory infection or just an eye thing. I lost mine and I believe that it was more than an eye thing but had gravitated up to the eye. So I'm not saying if you have a collard with an eye infection he's going to die, but I am saying if after 3 or 4 days hes not better due to ointment and treating the eye I would be getting him to the vet as there is a good chnace it is an upper respitory infection. I'm not a vet and often have to ask advice myself, but I have been doing lizards for a long time and I just happened on this and it does seem that many people who have collards run into this from time to time. Thats why I brought it up on the forum. I am a little suspicious of the vet. Check and see if he is a member of any reptile and amphibian organization - if he is not concerned about the hemi-penus you seemed to mentioned that would bother me as well. Is your lizard eating?
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PHEve Jul 28, 2005 08:51 AM

lizards, and I agree I was always taught as a youngster who's Grandpop lost an eye due to infection from a wood chip that hit his eye, to...

NEVER MESS AROUND when it comes to the EYES! Don't take chances with your site or anyones/ human or critter.

But I think the fact this Vet recommends his collared eats MORE greens , tells me he is not QUITE UP on his LIZARD HUSBANDRY.
I also do not trust the answer with the anus/ hemipenis.

** And Lou, as much as I luv ya Buddy and as many spelling mistakes as I make ehehehhehehehe LOL I do have to tell you when you refer to collareds you refer to the GREENS Collards

(laughing, but running away from computer) hahahahhaha
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reptoman Jul 28, 2005 01:51 PM

I think I committed a slight mispelling, I just got back from town and you gave me a good laugh. Boy sometimes it's my fingers move faster than my brain, I have spelled this more than once that way! HA! LOL! Thanks for the correction, I wanted to use the word fopa but wasn't sure if that was the correct spelling either. I need a tutor bad!!!!
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PHEve Jul 28, 2005 02:16 PM

some of the things I type, I even have begun to spell backwards, (don't know what thats all about) LOL

TAHT , ALWASY , SIAD WAHT

Those words above are what I'm doing alot of lately!

I'm losing it UOL Oh thats Lou !

hahahahhaha
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johne Jul 28, 2005 02:40 PM

I heard they might like that.

PHEve Jul 28, 2005 03:20 PM

Hahhahahahahahhaha ! I'm gonna kick you!
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jeune18 Jul 28, 2005 03:17 PM

faux pas is the word i think you are looking for, lol. i know i make mistakes from time to time but when i notice them after posting it makes me cringe, 8 years of catholic school will go that to you, ha ha
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Boost Jul 28, 2005 12:22 PM

In my opinion you need to find yourself a qualified reptile vet in your area.

platinumtlc Jul 28, 2005 06:53 PM

Where can I find a list of good vets in my area? Can I just call and ask if they have exp with collareds?

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