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He is just so photogenic, is'nt he though.....

I'll still bet money that it's extreme egg stress that created this snake.

everyone's entitled to an opinion, it's America right.

If so, why no other?
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I would defineatly say he is unique. I do think he is a creation of egg stress as well. He seems to be defineatly thriving none the less.. Im just hopeing he/she is a pet and not a upcoming breeder.. Mutant is a good word for him for sure..
Jbugg

Since scaleless has been found to be genetic in other species I would think that is more likely than the stress theory but of course breeding will need to be done to prove it.

Also, I don't think it's any more or less a mutation than all the other ones we breed. Sure there are quality of life issues to consider and after there are several of them in different hands we can be more confident in getting a consensus evaluation on where this mutation stands on that score.

I have to disagree.. Genetic or not the physical makeup of this snake isnt normal by any standards.. I hope it is NEVER ever ever ever breed.. It would be a crime against the ball python community...
Jbugg

Ok, maybe I'm missing something... how is this snake's genetic makeup any more messed up than those with crazy coloring, etc? A piebald is pretty crazy looking too....
I'm not trying to take sides here, cause I honestly don't know where I stand on this issue. Clearly, this snake couldn't survive in the wild, and his environment in captivity would have to be carefully controlled, but how is this mutation any different from any other mutation? Especially if (as I suspect) it's confirmed through breeding that it's genetic. When someone comes out with a new 'morph' (or MUTATION) why does everyone congratulate them, but this poor guy is being flamed about his scaleless snake?
Again, not taking sides, just trying to understand why this is such a hot issue.....
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I think the scaleless trait is kinda cool. The thing that worries me is the lack of heat pits and the possibility of the scaleless trait and pitless trait being linked genes. If that's the case, then some animals that don't prove out to carry the scaleless trait may be sold as normals while still carrying the pitless gene. This means that in a few years there may be quite a few normals being bred and sold around the country that carry the pitless gene by unaware breeders. I am a little paranoid about this. What if I spend several years trying to breed for a Piebald (or some other morph) only to have my first hatchling born without heat pits? That would suck.

Oh, well...

Chris
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mean people suck

Ohhh... I see. Ok, that may be legitimate. I hadn't thought of that. Something tells me though, that that isn't the basis for everyone elses hatred of the snake.... anyone else's thoughts?

They don't need heat pits if they are captive animals. Only in the wild where they have to cover a large area to find food. I'm sure they would have no problem taking f/t or even live when fed in a small enclosure.

I'll try this again.

He is going to breed it, there is NOTHEN anyone here can do about it. So deal with it!!!!!!!

About the "hets", I don't think he would sell them and not tell the person buying them what they are. I meen if he is breeding them, I would think he is doing it to make money, why would he sell them as normals?

That said, I still don't like the derma ball, but thats just me.

May-be this time the post will stay, as I have stayed well with in the TOS.