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If I can pick up a pair of Pastels for about 3K, and make my own Supers, Why is it the Supers are priced at 9-10K?
Am I missing something?

Remember, I'm just a rookie, so please excuse my ignorance!

Thanks,
Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

You can pick up a pair of het albinos for $750. Then sell albinos for $2500. You can get a pair of het pieds for $1800, then sell Pieds for $7000.

NO difference.

Based soley on the ratios, (and I know they aren't exact), and just using a 4 egg clutch to make the math simple:

If you spend $750.00 on a pair of 100% Het Albinos:
You could get 25% albino (1@ $2,500.00), 50% Het, 25%Normal (3@ $300.00) for a total of $3,400.00 minus the $750.00 investment = $2,650.00 profit.

or

If you spend $2,000.00 on a pair of Pastels:
You could get 25% Pastel (1@ $1,000.00), 50% Super (2 @ $10,000.00), 25%Normal (1@ $100.00) for a total of $21,100.00 minus the $2,000.00 investment = $19,1000.00 profit.

I hope my math is right, and I'm sure me prices are off. And I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but does any of this make sense?

Thanks again,
Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

check my post below.
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GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

So I guess I'd have to knock $9,000.00 of the profit.
I also noticed I added one to many zeros.

Thanks,
Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

Keep in mind that when you buy a pair of pastels now and produce the super in over 2 years the price will have dropped as well. I hope not to much but it will have dropped.

-Bill

You were off on the super ratio. You'd only get one super.

And if you were to spend $2k on het albinos, you could get 1.3, easily, with money left over for heat tape. 1.3 with 6 eggs per clutch is 18 eggs. You should get 4 albinos out of that. Almost $10K. Similar as to what you would make with a pair of Pastels with the same investment money. Yep.

Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

What I really want to do, is start breeding Albinos, and work my way to Snow (in the distant future)
I was just curious as to why the Super was so expensive.
Thanks for your comments.
Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

It really isn't that high a price.
Since they cannot even produce a normal.

Same way with any homogenous.You can't get a normal from a pied,albino,or clown either...all hets.
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A TON of work and patience, but if you can pull it off, you will be WELL rewarded for it!

Best of luck!!

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It takes 2 to 3 years to raise up a female for breeding...

But you can buy a lot of females too!
It is also 1 in 4 chance.
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NO ONE has produced Super X Super. NO ONE. Even Genetic Stripe X Genetic Stripe has been done, I think.
Very few are breeding Super to Pastel. Most are breeding Spiders, Mojaves, Pinstripes, and others to Pastel female.
People are even skipping the Pastel X Pastel breeding.

Most want a Super Male so they may breed it to 5 Simple recessive female making all Pastel het for those 5 morphs. Then male Pastel het back to mom. Easiest way to make those new morphs. Most people value their adult simple recessive female and dont want to breed a Pastel male to them.
Super female are desired because they produce all Pastel hets or 1/2 clutch will be new morph when bred to another CoDominant or Dominant male.
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GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

Your right a hatchling pair of pastel is around 2500-3000 but a adult breedable pair would run you more like 7 thousand maybe more depending on the size of the female. Then weigh in the fact if you have 4 eggs your chance is to produce one super and there you go. 10,000 bucks worth of work!

-Bill

Ken
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0.5 Normal Ball Pythons (Norma, Nova, Nala, Nimeesha, Nyoka)
1.1 Argentine B/W Tegus (Draco and Drucilla)
0.1 Columbian B/W Tegu (Diablo)
1.0 Black Throat Monitor (Razor)
1.0 Desert Tortoise (Tubbs) from Tortoise Rescue
1.0 Boxer (Shadow)
0.1 Feline (CK)
1.0 Memory of my Redtail Boa (Mo) which passed away after 28 years

OK lets just say that you produce 6 clutches of eggs avaraging 6 eggs per clutch. The pastel produces 18 pastels and the Super produces 36 pastels. They sell for an average of $1,500 each (male/female medium), so the pastel has generated $27,000 and the Super $54,000. You have already made back your investment 5 fold and your numbers are predictable...you get 100% pastels with a Super.

Now try breeding that Super to Spiders and Pastels and Cinnamons etc and you double your chances of producing great designer morphs.

We all hear about the success stories of great odds but seldom do we hear the bad odds stories. I had an 11 egg clutch once that produced one pastel! Throw a Super into the equation and you get a predictable 11 out of 11! Big difference.

Supers are also still very rare. As someone had mentioned not many are being produced because of other projects. Supers are worth many times there weight in gold...literally!

Hope I helped answer your question.

Mark
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