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I know, I've posted pics of these before, this was taken tonight.

Sorry, no thought provoking post here....LOL

Kerby...

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Very nice Kerby, and actually it does provoke a thought! LOL Do you think all or most Splendida showing that much yellow are Hypos? In other words do you know of any people who work with them who have bred two similar to yours and had the clutch vary in degrees of yellow? Varying to the point where some resembled average Splendida? There's definitely many looks to that snake, and also the integrade factor makes deciphering what you're looking at a little more difficult. Those are nice, I can't wait to see more morphs. Tom Stevens

Speaking of more morphs....
With the emergence of the Axanthics, Albinos and Hypos........Don Shores has produced Double hets for Snow, Ghost and Hybino.
Can't wait to see those.

Also....Splendida do have varying degrees of intergration depending on the locale except for those found out in West Texas...I believe them to be pure.

Kerby's looks to be the West Texas variety to me.
Very nice looking too....
Thanks for the pic Kerby.
John Lassiter

John,
Go to Care Sheets etc. thing up above and check out Joe Penney's pictures of Splendida from Hudspeth County out West. I think you'll be surprised! I was!
Pat

OOPs!!! Forgot to give you the sheet's name: Snakes of Hudspeth County. The Splendida do not look like what is sold as El Paso locale. Interesting.

Pat

Not your common looking West Texas Splendida....I see some speckles on its head....Is that what you are referring to?
It is an awesome Splendida though....Looks like some of my Aransas Co. specimens on the Texas coast.....
John Lassiter

That's what I mean--it looks like some from the coast! I thought by the time one reached that far West you'd see the pattern more like Kerby's. Interesting to find out how variable the critter is!

Pat

Last year my good friend and I were out snaking, and we found a beautiful splendida, it was nearly solid yellow on the sides, with the same blotches on top like the one above.

My friend kept it and later gave it to Don.

I do understand the hypo only means less black then normal. But I do believe the one above fits in the normal range. So I would not call it Hypo, but so that I do not get yelled at again, Kerby can call anything he likes, to him, it may be hypo.

The pic he showed is very normal for splendida along the border in the western part of their range. But then, they do vary like mad, they are kingsnakes. FR

That mans forgot more about getulus "morphs" than the next 2 of us will likely learn....If Kerb sez its hyp....its probably hip...whatever that is...hhaahhhaahhhaaaa

Should be out..its a monsoon nite...

Maybe what kerby has is a het for hypo and if he breeds to another het for hypo maybe he'll get a real hypo looking hypo,lol

I LIKE IT!!!
Todd Hughes

It's dark pigment is way too dark,

I don't know Jetzen. Every one I remember seeing looked just like Kerby's. I think the first time I saw them was from Southern Reptiles quite a few years ago. You have seem em different? Any pics? Tom Stevens

No pics sorry, but i almost bought a true hypo splendida a few years ago from Brad L. his last name escapes me at the moment, in Texas, any way Brads hypo splendidas were at least 6 shades lighter, too bad the mail lost that m.o.
Kerbys splendida head is way too dark,and hypo means reduced drk/blk right? but it's very nice speckled sided splendida.

Brad Lichtenhan? My guess is his stock was from Don Shores? And I also guess Kerby's is Dons line? I thought all the yellow on the sides was enough to make it a Hypo...but I have been talking to Brad as of late and I will see if he can chime in.
Tom Stevens

Brad doesn't know me by JETZEN, he might remember the guy that had to have the 3/4 striped hypo splendida and the money order that never arrived, it took me 60 days to get a refund. Anyway if i remember right Don Shores had a hypo splendida ad up the same time as Brad, and Brad's were the lighter by far. This was about 2 yrs ago.

The splendida at the top of this thread looks to have a slightly lighter back but i don't think it's a true hypo

Brad's hypo splendida were from Southern Reptiles if I understand correctly. Same strain as mine. I even saw his on the internet when he was selling them and they to me were no different.

Brad Litchenhan's Hypo Splendida ARE the same strain as Don Shores'
I was going to get some a few years ago too, but never got around to it. Wish I would have now........
John Lassiter

Then why was the one i was trying to buy so much lighter?
Maybe just a outstanding specimen i guess.

I am sure the hypomelanism varies.....Look at Honduran hypo variation........
John Lassiter

Ofcourse it does, all i'm saying is i don't think kerby's splendida is a "TRUE" hypo, that would be like me calling my milk choc cals hypo and i don't think milk choc cals are hypo.
Maybe kerb's splendida should be called a "milk choc speckled sided splendida"lol
here's a "normal" just my opinion

The difference is that brown cal kings are not a recessive gene. In splendidas it is. There is no similarity between cal kings and desert kings in this instance. Apples and oranges.

Whether you call it hypo or something else, it is recessive.

Kerby...

I think it is a degree of hypomelanism, especially since it IS a recessive trait.......
John Lassiter

Ok, let me get this straight, you say choc. is recessive, and Kerb says it isn't, well that's fine, but i still say that splendida is not a hypo, it is gorgeous tho.

Chocolate in Calkings is not a simple recessive gene, but the lighter color in Splendida (chocolate in color sometimes) is recessive.....If you breed that Splendida of Kerby's to a normal looking Splendida the offspring will all look normal, but if you bred the offspring together or back to the "hypo" one some babies will come out looking like the "hypo."
This does not work with chocolate calkings as it is not a simple recessive gene causing the coloration in them. It is just a color phase.
I have seen many of Don's Hypo Splendida...Some are nicer than others just like some hypo Hondos are nicer than others.
I still think it is a hypo.........LOL
John Lassiter

nobody or nothing will convince me that's a true hypo.
you have your opinion and i have mine, it's all good tho.

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That definitley is a hypo Splendida.I too have some I purchased from Don Shores.Do you have a pic of the lighter one you saw advertised?

No i don't have a pic, like i stated earlier in the thread. But i sure wish i would of sent Brad L. another m.o., that 3/4 striped real hypo splendida must of been one in a thousand.
I can't see how you guys can call kerby's choc. looking splendida a hypo.
Maybe Brad still has a pic of that one he was selling two years ago.

Maybe the one he had was a Hybino thus making it look lighter.

I think he would of stated that in the ad. Who knows? anything could happen in this hobby, btw, i dig your website.

Thank you...n/p

I did get them from Don Shores.

Here is a pic of a hypo and a normal that is het for albinism. The hypo is the same snake pictured already but only younger.

Hypo?

I called them that because that is what Don Shores was calling them.........

Don Shores also has anery splendidas.

Kerby...

That pic is worth 1000 comments. It truly does appear Hypo....in my opinion anyways. That het is really nice too. Tom Stevens

Looks Hypo to me. The dark pigment is definitely reduced....
If you got it from Don I am sure it is represented correctly as hypo. I think the Anery Splendida Don has is actually Axanthic.
Anerytheristic means it lacks red pigment...Splendida have no red.
Axanthic means it lacks orange or yellow pigment....as Splendida has.
Last year Don produced 3 DH for hybino Splendida...This year he produced some DH for snow and ghost....I wish I could get some from him.......LOL
TTYL,
John Lassiter