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Do these look pure to you guys?

jlassiter Jul 30, 2005 12:30 AM

I acquired a trio of Floridana in a big group deal right before winter last year. The trio consisted of 1.1 Lavender Floridana and 0.1 het for lavender Floridana.
The adults were hibernated and bred this year. The lavender female laid a clutch of infertile eggs, but the het for lavender laid 5 good eggs....When they hatched none were albino...so I thought she wasn't actually carrying the trait, but I don't think there were enough viable eggs to come to that conclusion.
Also...The adults had very few speckles on them like all the lavenders I have seen on this forum....I wonder about their lineage.
Here are a couple of their offspring.
Do they look like pure Floridana to you????
John Lassiter

Replies (6)

JETZEN Jul 30, 2005 01:00 AM

Looks close enough for me,
As a baby this one looked much the same except the head pattern

mayday Jul 30, 2005 07:05 AM

In this case I would say what TonyD would say, 'what is pure?'
The Florida kingsnake is highly variable and it is hard to really pinpoint what the most typical phenotype is. Two Florida kings from the same canal in Belle Glade may look really very different from one another with one being lighter in color than the other, or one being more boldly patterned.
On the other hand, you could take two Fla. kings from across the state and they could look exactly the same.
Having said that, your hatchling looks like a typical Florida king to me. It could grow up to be one with a dark ground color or it could turn out to be a really light one (like the one in JANZEN's post, which is a beauty)that some might call a 'brooksi'.

jlassiter Jul 30, 2005 10:28 AM

This is what the parent snakes look like as well as the amelanistic (so called lavender) female.
The female is pictured first. She laid the slugs.
The male is in the middle....He looks a little more Floridana than her.
The 'het' female is pictured last. She has few speckles...
Would you guys consider these Floridana????
Thanks,
John Lassiter

crimsonking Jul 30, 2005 10:38 AM

In those pics, the first (top) one looks to me to have some Cal influence??
Like has been stated before the differences in FL kings is huge.
I would say that the first ones out there with amel genes (either "pure" or introduced)were what are considered peninsula intergrades and they generally are more boldly patterned than FL kings (brooksi).
By now I'm sure there are lines that are 99.9% FL.????
And don't forget the holbrooki crosses from years ago.
:Mark

mayday Jul 30, 2005 11:49 AM

Top photo looks like a Cal king mix but that is just a general impression. It is hard for me to make a statement because the color isn't 'normal'.

snakesunlimited1 Jul 30, 2005 11:41 AM

They look pretty pure to me. But that doesn't mean much
Later Jason

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