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Since Australia has not allowed the export of reptiles for any purpose in recent history, where would the F0 dragons be coming from?
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Here is a thread on another Forum that you may want to check out www.reptilerooms.com/forumtopic-17406.html.
-Randy
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Interesting thread, poster says that there are ways that are not illegal for dragons to make it into other countries.. a bit cryptic and more than likely untrue. The dragons still have to make it out of Australia that would have to be through an illegal act. Even the likelyhood of a dragon being smuggled is very unlikely given the market price and the comparetively high price for almost any other reptile from down under, unless someone were willing to pay thousands of dollars for a dragon it does not seem likely that this would occur.
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Well you are entitled to your opinion. Just think univerities, zoos, three way exchanges mmmmm....imagine the possibilities!!
-Randy
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Good Grief! And people wonder why some people stop posting on here.

I wonder where someone gets some of their info, especially to accuse someone else of illegal acts! Just because someone will not tell you HOW they did it....so it has to be illegal?? you allege some pretty serious accusations that might be considered liable

Try reading the Australian Government CITES regulations.. it might give you some hints. And there are at least 4 ways I am aware of to do it.

here let me make it easier for you, from their website:

Import and Export of CITES Specimens for Non-Commercial Purposes
The import or export of CITES specimens may be permitted if it is for an eligible non-commercial purpose. Eligible non-commercial purposes include research, education, exhibition, conservation breeding or propagation, a travelling exhibition or as a household pet or personal item. Strict criteria apply to recognition of these eligible purposes.

Import and Export of CITES Specimens for Commercial Purposes
Regulated commercial trade in CITES listed species may occur subject to specific conditions related to the particular appendix on which the species is listed and whether the specimen is being imported or exported. Australia does not permit the export of live native mammals, amphibians, reptiles or birds for commercial purposes.

Registered non-commercial scientific exchange
The non-commercial exchange, loan or donation of scientific specimens may be exempt from CITES permitting requirements if the Minister has determined under the regulations that it is a registered exchange between scientific organisations. Strict conditions (Regulation 9A.01) must be met for the import or export of specimens to be determined to be a non-commercial scientific exchange.

Personal Effects exemption
Countries may exempt identified personal effects from all permitting requirements in accordance with Paragraph 3 of Article VII of CITES. In this way, certain CITES Appendix II specimens are currently exported, in full compliance with CITES, without an export permit.

The EPBC Act provides that the Minister may recognise personal effects as exempt from the permitting requirements in specific instances. Where a CITES listed specimen is proposed to be exported and is identified in the regulations (Schedule 4A) as a personal or household item, no export permit is required.

You will need a permit under the EPBC Act to:
Import or export CITES listed specimens;
export specimens derived from native species not included in the exempt list; or
import live plants or animals included in part 2 of the list of plants and animals suitable for live import.

OH, and here's this.... since they NEVER allow it as you say.. I wonder why they have a whole section on this????
How to obtain a permit to import and export Wildlife or Wildlife products Seems strange to have a section on that and even downloads and fees... for something that NEVER happens.

Do I need a permit?
You may need a permit from DEH to import or export animals, plants or products made from them.

Failure to obtain an Australian import or export permit prior to consignment of the wildlife specimen or product is an offence under the EPBC Act and may result in the item being seized. Severe penalties exist for persons or companies breaching the EPBC Act.

ITS NOT THEY DO NOT ALLOW ANY.... there are animals that go in and out of Australia by the tons a day... but they have to meet certain criteria, regulations and you need permits.... the middle east imports more sheep from Australia that any other country could produce for them!

Also, you know, if they ever make iguanas illegal to export from their native lands, I can still send you some wild ones, they may not be native to Florida, but we have over 5000 in the wild here. with 30 minutes from my house

There are some other ways too, but they get more involved with proof of ownership prior to regulations, etc... but there are MANY ways to do it.

I am not going to tell you how we did it, but I will tell you, we broke no laws, they went through customs and the animals were as safe as we could possibly make them
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there was a good post in reply to this... but as far as nothing being legal to get something out of the country, omg! How about someone who lives there but moves over seas? Yes, they are allowed to take X many pets with them. I know this for a fact due to the years I was involved in parrots and talking with people who immigrated outside of Austrailia with their cockatoos (they were allowed 2)

That is just a quick way and small quanitity, but a legal way none the less.

-Bonnie

Australia has not allowed the export of reptiles for any purpose in recent history

Thats a wrong statement for starters
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