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is the sulfur a wild phenotype and if anyone has more information about the lineage I would appreciate learning.
thanks,
daveb

From what I know about them, they originated from kings found in Hillsborough County, Florida. The ones you see being posted here are a refined sort of breed, and may have been bred to brooks kings for an overall lighter coloration. A lot of the kings from that area just look like normal FL kings.

What sulfer are you referring to ? Brandon's or Krysko's ? I think Brandon's are het for Albinism at least thats what he posted before but Im sure he would have more info. Krysko's are just various Floridana I believe. He has that one pictured onhis site but he told me once that it never bred and its now deceased. Do you have some specific animals you are referring to ?

Keith
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no specific animals in mind, just want to know more about the trait for reference.
dave

Krysko's line of school bus/sulfur kings came from animals collected near Tampa, and Brandon has stated that his sulfurs came from animals collected near Tampa as well. That's where the strong yellow trait comes from.

I have seen Kyrscos sulfur and it was outstanding. Unfortunately he never got it to breed. There was another one just like it in existance and that is how the line came about.

I dont know about Krysko's animals for sure but Brandons after researching it are het for Lavender. I remember when he first posted pics of one back in 2002 he stated they are possible het for lavender. You will have to read my reply to his post thats a few posts down. One my post also is a link to the very original post in 2002 where he originally states they are poss het for Lavender. I dont know of any Lavenders pulled out of Tampa but maybe ??? I would guess for these to be Tampa locale and be possible hets there must be a Lavender Tampa locale animal somewhere in the mix.

Keith

Link to original post

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or locality cross? ... It appears Sulfur is one of those names created to describe the very yellow phenotype. If the original yellows were from the Tampa area then adding the term brooksi seems unreasonable, unless you're implying "Hillsborogh X Dade" i.e. "Tampa X Miami" and are leaving out the X. To tell you the truth all the sulfurs I've seen recently have such a low band count they don't even look like they could be from Tampa, let alone from South Florida.

Agreed on low band counts. In some of the morphs Ive seen of Floridana that have low band counts makes me think something aint right. Thats one of the tell tale signs of a Floridana Brooksi is lots of thin crossbars. Another troubling thing is the real wide bands Im starting to see as well. It makes me think that someone has added a few other ingredients to the mix.

As far as Tampa area Kings and calling them Brooksi I wouldnt either I was just saying thats what they were called by Brandon. Lindsay I was on your site the other day and you have some impressive Uro's ! But man when are you getting that snake section some pics ???

Keith
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>> As far as Tampa area Kings and calling them Brooksi I wouldnt either I was just saying thats what they were called by Brandon. Lindsay I was on your site the other day and you have some impressive Uro's ! But man when are you getting that snake section some pics ??? >>>

guilty as charged. but it's on my list of things to do ! (and has been for several years, I think it's woked it's way up to about #137) admittedly I'm a computer klutz and I'd rather feed them and breed them than photo them and sell them. I guess I better remove the implied links and just leave it as a list of species available.

Now to confuse the kingsnake naming even further, when I hear someone say Brandon and king in the same phrase at first I think they mean the town near Tampa where some yellow snakes were found (location unfortunately paved over years ago).
LP
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Lindsay Pike
Urotopia Uromastyx

Agreed on low band counts. In some of the morphs Ive seen of Floridana that have low band counts makes me think something aint right. Thats one of the tell tale signs of a Floridana Brooksi is lots of thin crossbars. Another troubling thing is the real wide bands Im starting to see as well. It makes me think that someone has added a few other ingredients to the mix.

WRONG Keith. Thats what you get for thinking.LOL! Abberancies occur with reccessive traits.

After breeding many brooksi/floridana morphs I have seen it occur over and over again. I am surprised you would even say something as "newb" as that.

Keith maybe you should breed a morph or two before posting any further responses on this subject.

Yeah okay Rainer striping in Hypo's is an abberancy but low band counts doesnt seem to qualify. They are traits kinda like my GA Eastern King with the wide bands. Its isnt abberant it just showing some influence from Apalachicola Kings from that whole mixed up gene pool known as S Ga and N Fla. Whats the excuse on the wide banded and low band count Brooksi ? Tell me to you are blue in the face but Brooksi or Floridana and with abnormaly wide bands and low band counts strike me as suspicous. Glad to see you are still coming with the insults...are you trying to get booted from the forums ?

Keith
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Glad to see you are still coming with the insults...are you trying to get booted from the forums ?

I never "still" came with insults. You have a way of turning the tables bro. You must have posted a dozen insults and inflamatory posts towards me in the last two months. And did you notice I did not respond to a one of them?

What I did this time was take the bait you indirectly put out. I (like many others here) do not post under any threads you are involved with anymore.

So sulfer is from line breeding and not a genetic trait?

So sulfer is from line breeding and not a genetic trait?

that is correct