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I am looking for a disinfectant for my cages. I use Neodeshas and soon Boaphile cages. I am looking for something I can spray directly on the cage during spot cleanings. Something that does'nt leave a harmful odor to me or the snakes. Does anyone use Quat Plus? Would 10% bleach be effective?

Thanks,
Dan

Disinfectants are not necessary for spot cleaning, and I don't recommend it. Even when you're doing your periodic whole cage cleanings you don't need it, regular soap and water are fine. For uses like quarantine protocols disinfectants are a must. Both 10% bleach and Quatsyl are awesome for this, and should be rinsed very well after use. Sick animals should be kept on a discardable substrate like newspaper, and thus spot cleaning isn't applicable in this, or quarantine cages.

Ian

is pure 35% Hydrogen Peroxide dilluted on a one ounce of H202 to 11oz of pure filtered water. I use this for my body and to clean my home and snakes and it is bar none the safest way " with the exception of pure steam " to clean and has no harmful fumes or side effects. I also spray it on rags and clean the body of the snakes with it too. You have to dillute it on a 1 to 11 ratio and it brings the 35% to 3% wich is great for disenfecting and other things also. It completely DESTROYS fungus and Bacteria and does it Naturally. I buy from a company in Texas called " Guardian of Eden " go to google and look up everything on " Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy " and get educated. Now, I have given you one of my secrets, run forest, run!.......Johnson Herp

They also sell over the counter bottles of Hydrogen peroxide at walmart (3% ) at 50 cents per bottle. I have never tried it but it is safe for humans. Andy

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AJF Reptiles

The store bought brand is for topical use and has stabilizers and is not very beneficial. The brand that I am refering to is pure and Food Grade wich is also good for human health. I am big on Homeopathic remedies for myself and animals. As I told him, go look up info on your google search engine under Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy and learn for yourself. You will find good info and bad, but you can have discernment between the two. .......Johnson Herp

Thanks for the info...while I use the store bought stuff alot for cuts and scrapes...that's about my extent of it. I am very happy to have read some of that info and I do find it interesting...just too life changing for me to actually try it. Thanks Andy

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AJF Reptiles

That is what I use for spot cleaning. I get the 3%, but I dilute it in a mister bottle. I put 4 oz peroxide and about 26 oz water. I wipe things down with paper towels. To test that the stuff really works at this rate I have sprayed it in the bottom of the bathroom sink after a month or so of being diluted. It still kills germs and bubbles up. Some nurserymen (including myself) use a similar rate directly on sprouting seedlings in beds and as a drench in beds to kill bacteria and fungi. The young plants are not affected. Frank

Clorox wipes orange scented toweletes. Ive havent had a problem with them yet, and I dont rinse the cages. Ive even used it on my shoeboxes while cleaning and to wipe down my hooks. Dont know how good they are but seem to work fine for me, especially on plastic.

The quatricide solution will eventually crack...or even worse cause the door(s) to shatter. I've seen it first hand, and he (Jeff) refers to this problem somewhere on his website, maybe in the caging forum??
As for the product itself, it's very effective in terms of disinfecting your cage....remember it's not a cleaning solution, it's for use after you have properly cleaned the cage.

Philip

I like Nolvasan really well. I probably mix it a little stronger than the directions recommend. I mix it with water in 2 gallon sprayers and use it every time I change their paper. It is a very safe, but thorough disinfectant.
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Linda Hedgpeth
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Sierra Serpents

"There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it".

I use this same stuff and love it.
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Greg Holland
GM HERPS
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Very effective yet VERY safe, Pro exotics even says they have used it to spray directly on the animals with no problems.

A gallon costs you around $60 but you use 1 OZ to a gallon of water and you now have a gallon of disinfectant. That $60 gallon of nolvasan = 128 gallons of disinfectant when diluted according to the directions, it lasts FOREVER.

Perfect for spot cleaning, remove the dirty substrate, spray and wipe ... call it good

a gallon for $43 shipped. You can get it at: http://www.cattlestore.com/pc-392-56-nolvasan-solution.aspx
If anyone can find it cheaper...please let me know.
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>>a gallon for $43 shipped. You can get it at: http://www.cattlestore.com/pc-392-56-nolvasan-solution.aspx
>>If anyone can find it cheaper...please let me know.
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adsf

Nolvosan, is that chlorhexadine? Chlorhexadine is awesome stuff, and cheap. For effectiveness, use the acetate over the gluconate. Optimum effecacy is with following the instructions. Higher concentrations of some products are actually less effective.

Just because hydrogen peroxide bubbles doesn't mean it's killing all the pathogens. It merely means that it is reverting to hydrogen and water, the more stable form. To be honest, the bubbling action is more productive than the actual chemical, although the reaction does burst many cellular pathogens.

70% Isopropyl alcohol is much more effective than H202, and evaporates quickly with no residue.

Quatsyl is harsh on caging materials, and I can see truth in the cracked plastic. This is why proper concentrations and rinsing are a must. There is not much better at killing virus' and bacteria than this though.

Again, I think it is more important to remember that using chemicals for routine cleaning is unnessesary and possibly long term counterproductive.

Ian

ps, madison, I know your a good guy but how is H202 homeopathic? It's not like it's just found in nature in large, self cleaning pools.

If so, did you find it safe on animals and plastic?
thanks!
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I havn't heard Virkon in a long time. It was going out of use when I graduated animal health in '00. I imagine it's still good stuff, but better products have been developed since then. What's in Virkon by the way?

As I have said before; " Go and study for yourselves with an open mind why I am recommending H202 for cleaning and yours and your animals health. " I have used; Nolvasan, Quat-plus, Bleach and water dillution, Clorox pads and most everything that everyone else has, in my home also. As I became more educated through studying on Natural Healing for human and animal health and applying it to myself and family and animals, I truly believe one conclusion, not my conclusion, BUT the conclusion of many underground Doctors and Scientist; " IF MAN MADE IT, DO NOT PUT IT IN YOUR BODY OR USE IT AROUND YOUR BODY. " Nolvasan, Quat-plus ect.ect.ect. IS A man made chemical, no matter how you slice it or dice it and therefore is NOT GOOD. You guys DO NOT have to agree, but I hope everyone in the world will try to get more educated on these unorthodox treatments and Natural Solutions, it changed my life and many others that I know directly and indirectly......To good health........Johnson Herp

Over all its a very valid statement,but lemmings are always hard turned.If messages like these were *ever* heeded,people wouldnt be consumeing "MILK" at the rate they do.The ugly truth about milk can easily be found. wwwgotmilk.com

M/

I"m not questioning your opinions, as they are valid Madison. I was merely saying that although the quataunary ammonias and the chlorhexidines are more complex, H202 is produced by man as well. My opinion slightly differs in that products should be avoided if need be. For effecicy (I can never spell that word ) the tests are obvious. Clean a contaminated surface with all the products, and then culture the surfaces afterwards.
Perhaps the homeopathy you have mentioned with the use of H202 is beneficial because it isn't sterile... living in a sterile world has been measured negatively.

Again, I don't question your opinions, but I am hesitant to overly trust proffesionals that think it necessary to be "underground".

Ian