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rowotter Jul 16, 2003 10:56 PM

Well, you guys asked for it, so here it is. This is probably from the most important paper that has come out of here-and it is something special. In an attempt to keep it more interesting, I will omit lots of the details and just get to the results. This is not something that I wrote, but something that my advisor wrote long before I got here.

The animals had food withheld for 30 days prior to the start of the project. After being fed a meal 25% of their body mass, within 24 hours after feeding, the animals experienced a 17-fold increase in oxygen consumption rates and held this for approx 4.5 days-this is comparable to you sitting on the couch and then jumping up and running full speed for 4 days-literally.
Within 1-3 days postfeeding, the small intestine experiences an increase of 6-26 times the fasting levels of nutrient uptake rates, and the uptake capacities reached 11-24 times the fasting rate.
All of these values were back to the fasting rates by days 8-14.
After feeding, by day 3, the small intestine has DOUBLED IN SIZE. By day 14, it was back to its fasting size. Virtually all of the other organs gained some mass after feeding; the only one which did not was the gall bladder-this is because it empties its stored bile upon feeding.
That is a brief summary of the results of this paper. In the wild, P. molurus employs a "sit-and-wait" strategy for feeding. This differs greatly from a black racer or something of the sort which might be out cruising around all day long looking for a bite to eat. However, our pythons will just sit in a promising location and wait for the food to come to it-even if it takes months. Basically, what this paper tells us, is that the snake undergoes a good amount of physiological regulation to allow it to go for very long periods of time without any addition of energy. This contrasts steeply with "active foragers" (black racer) which experience a very high resting metabolic rate that uses a lot of energy, but it is replaced much more frequently than it is with the pythons. We have an entire paper contrasting 4 frequent feeders with 4 infrequent feeders-I'll post the results of this a bit later. Below is the citation for this article-reviewed and read by scientists around the world. If you have any questions, fire away. I didn't really have the energy to proofread everything, but it should all be right...

~Brian Ott

Adaptive Responses to Feeding in Burmese Pythons: Pay Before Pumping. S. Secor and J. Diamond. The Journal of Experimental Biology 198. 1313-1325 (1995).

Replies (8)

Brian Oakley Jul 16, 2003 11:22 PM

Brian,
THat is a VERY interesting paper. So I would like to think (in my NON educated mind) that feeding a snake every 4-5 days is a good thing. I feed mine ona schedule like that. I feed all my snakes food that will not leave a "bulge" in it, but of course you might be able to tell it ate. At times, depending ont he snake, I will feed to items rather than one.
It is funny, after reading your paper I would contribute my "alert" snakes to being fed on the schedule they are. THis, apposed to being fed twice a month or so and a snake would just sit there and watch you go by.
Am I correct in thsi assumption?
BTW, I say "non educated" in respect to actually going to school for these things. I read stuff like this and it makes really gets me enthusiastic with my projects.
Great paper Brian,
Brian Oakley

BrianSmith Jul 17, 2003 04:09 AM

>>Well, you guys asked for it, so here it is. This is probably from the most important paper that has come out of here-and it is something special. In an attempt to keep it more interesting, I will omit lots of the details and just get to the results. This is not something that I wrote, but something that my advisor wrote long before I got here.
>>
>>The animals had food withheld for 30 days prior to the start of the project. After being fed a meal 25% of their body mass, within 24 hours after feeding, the animals experienced a 17-fold increase in oxygen consumption rates and held this for approx 4.5 days-this is comparable to you sitting on the couch and then jumping up and running full speed for 4 days-literally.
>>Within 1-3 days postfeeding, the small intestine experiences an increase of 6-26 times the fasting levels of nutrient uptake rates, and the uptake capacities reached 11-24 times the fasting rate.
>>All of these values were back to the fasting rates by days 8-14.
>>After feeding, by day 3, the small intestine has DOUBLED IN SIZE. By day 14, it was back to its fasting size. Virtually all of the other organs gained some mass after feeding; the only one which did not was the gall bladder-this is because it empties its stored bile upon feeding.
>>That is a brief summary of the results of this paper. In the wild, P. molurus employs a "sit-and-wait" strategy for feeding. This differs greatly from a black racer or something of the sort which might be out cruising around all day long looking for a bite to eat. However, our pythons will just sit in a promising location and wait for the food to come to it-even if it takes months. Basically, what this paper tells us, is that the snake undergoes a good amount of physiological regulation to allow it to go for very long periods of time without any addition of energy. This contrasts steeply with "active foragers" (black racer) which experience a very high resting metabolic rate that uses a lot of energy, but it is replaced much more frequently than it is with the pythons. We have an entire paper contrasting 4 frequent feeders with 4 infrequent feeders-I'll post the results of this a bit later. Below is the citation for this article-reviewed and read by scientists around the world. If you have any questions, fire away. I didn't really have the energy to proofread everything, but it should all be right...
>>
>>~Brian Ott
>>
>>Adaptive Responses to Feeding in Burmese Pythons: Pay Before Pumping. S. Secor and J. Diamond. The Journal of Experimental Biology 198. 1313-1325 (1995).
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tango Jul 17, 2003 06:48 AM

All the flame wars here about Burmese needing huge cages for the exercise seems to be a bit suspect with this study in mind. Those that have maintained that a Vision or Neodesha cage is fine because these snakes sit and wait for their meals rather than go "hunting," seems to be right in line with these results, especially for the moderately fed Burmese which I would think are most of the pets being raised. Thanks for posting- I'm sure many of us would truly love and appreciate more information as you have time. I now have many more questions.
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Marcia Pimentel
Tango River Reptiles
GiantFeeders

rowotter Jul 17, 2003 03:54 PM

I'm glad you guys liked it-I know it got me fired up when I read that. Once again-I can't take credit for that, but the man I am working under wrote that. I will be looking for similar results with my project-only with retics, rocks, bloods, balls, and burmese. It should be a massive paper... I will keep putting the highlights from some papers as I get time. If you have any questions, feel free to post them here or email them to me- rowotter at hotmail.com

meretseger Jul 18, 2003 05:09 AM

If you're looking into all those, you should check to see if Morelia do the same thing. Heck, maybe even toss a Boa constrictor in there...

rowotter Jul 18, 2003 07:37 AM

We actually do have the data for boas. That is actually published in a later paper-that's the next paper I'll post the results of (a big comparison of 4 infrequent and 4 frequent feeding species). As for Morelia, that is something I am looking forward to doing HOPEFULLY for my doctorate. Unfortunately, there is no way we could take on any more animals at this point. But, I am curious if most of the carpets are actually frequent feeders/active foragers. Basically, I'm hoping to find any frequent feeding/active foraging pythons for some later work. Up to date, all of our work in Pythonidae and Boidae has been with infrequent feeders.

meretseger Jul 18, 2003 11:39 AM

Keep us updated... I wonder if sand boas do the same thing? It seems to me that they might...

BrianSmith Jul 17, 2003 05:17 PM

Yes, this really is an eye-opener. I had always assumed that a digesting organism, be it mammalian, or reptilian or otherwise, would have a decreased metabolism due to diverted energies required for proper digestion. This blows my mind and it makes perfect sense. It explains a lot too. The alertness of a digesting python that had always baffled me and I had discounted as an intinctual response due to the vulnerability of being somewhat physically limited or disabled. And the irony that a well fed python gets a more vigorous metabolic "workout". Strange in a very interesting way. Keep it coming Brian. And you and your colleagues keep working to uncover more "stuff". I am a knowledge gathering junkie and I need my fix, lol.

>>All the flame wars here about Burmese needing huge cages for the exercise seems to be a bit suspect with this study in mind. Those that have maintained that a Vision or Neodesha cage is fine because these snakes sit and wait for their meals rather than go "hunting," seems to be right in line with these results, especially for the moderately fed Burmese which I would think are most of the pets being raised. Thanks for posting- I'm sure many of us would truly love and appreciate more information as you have time. I now have many more questions.
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>>Marcia Pimentel
>>Tango River Reptiles
>>GiantFeeders
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

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