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Well I tried for a while to find anyone who had tried to prove "ringers" as genetic. I didn't get much info, most thought they were not, or came from pied lineage, but still were not genetic. Well, I obtained a male and female pair that had the same pied white markings, sold as 'Ringers'. I bred them together this year, and got four eggs. Those eggs just hatched and two have the same markings in the same location on the body as the parents! But two do not? Got to be genetic, but in what capacity? Maybe one parent is genetic and co dom? Any suggestions folks? Pics of one of the babies, mom and dad.

Robert

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I remember talking about ringers with a friend recently, we both agreed at the time (and we're not alone here) that the white marks have something to do with umbilical constriction during the latter part of egg development. One could suggest that such constriction could actually restrict full development in the embryo, and many never actually reach full term. Natural selection simply weeds such traits out.

Now one could hypothesise that such a trait is genetic, although not one directly involved with colouration or patternation. Your animals are simply more likely, genetically, to produce ringers. It would be interesting if my ideas here were correct, to see if there are less eggs reaching full term in ringer lines than in normal ones.

Anyway, just an idea. Or all of the above could be absolute rubbish and the ringer trait is just like all the other inheritable morphs out there?

Time will tell...

I'd like to hear more on this theory.

I don't know much about umbilical functions, but I assume umbilical constriction would retard normal growth and development. In that case, it may be interesting to discuss average hatch weights among Ringers versus normal animals.

Chris
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That was some good insight.
Everything is genetic,whether it occurred indirectly or not is the question.

Congradulations on the babies,and i wish you luck with the project.
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Charles Glaspie

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"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Genetic or not, they look great.. Congrats!!!!

Joe

I have a real nice Ringer too and bred it years ago and hatched out some ringers....it seems to be co-dominant or dominant........

I have bred a ringer to normal and made ringers....some ringers are so slight they may go unnoticed....

I have also made ringers when I bred to non ringers???

A weird gene to say the least!!

Pretty animals!!!

Kev
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those Ringers are Sweet!...Awesome adult too!

Congrats on the baby Ringers!