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What would be expected in any resulting offspring?

Steve

What is the market value for Ebony BP and does anyone have any pictures to share?

Thanks

Well being as there is only 1 True Ebony Ball the market price on it would be expected to be pretty high but Amir is not selling it that I am aware of.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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I seen on Greg Graziani's site that he to has an Ebony. Maybe Greg or Amir can give us there thoughts on what may be expected in breeding a Yellow Belly to Ebony or Ivory morphs?

Thanks

Greg gas a picture of Amir's Ebony on his site but does not own it. Greg has pictures of alot of Balls on his Morph Page that are owned by other breeders.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
www.rkreptiles.com
www.rkreptiles.net
www.oldworldchameleons.com
www.ballpythonmorphs.net
www.beardedragons.com

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I'm aware he has many morphs that are not his own posted on his site but this was listed under his Collection.

(Copy & Pasted from Greg's site)

Ebony

We acquired our first Ebony ball python into our collection in 1994. She was imported from Africa through Strictly Reptiles.

Ebony ball pythons are produced by breeding a Yellow Belly to a Granite ball python. The Ebony is almost jet black as a hatchling with a dark gold broken dorsal stripe and granite speckled sides. The two that we are aware of were both extremely small as hatchlings approximately 35-40 grams each. As adults their heads tend to lighten to a very dark brown and their pattern becomes more visible.

We received our Ebony ball python in the group of our Melanistic ball pythons. As a matter of fact until Amir Soleymani produced the first captive bred and hatched Ebony ball python, we were considering her just another Melanistic ball python with a neat dorsal stripe. Our Ebony produced a clutch of 3 eggs in 2003 of which 2 hatched. They appeared to be Wild Type “Normal“ ball pythons. But this was before we were aware they were linked to the Yellow Belly and Granite mutations and they were sold as Normals. Because of the interesting outcome of breeding Pastel Jungles to Melanistic ball pythons, in 2004 our Ebony female was bred to a Pastel Jungle. Naturally, once we saw Amir’s Ebony, we started looking closely at the two remaining offspring (both were Pastel Jungles). That’s right, we had already sold the three Wild Type offspring from the clutch. So we never paid attention to see if they were Granites or Yellow Bellies. But we did get lucky! It appears that we did produce one Pastel Yellow Belly which we will be breeding back to our Ebony in 2006

Yellow Belly to Ivory

50% Ivory
50% Yellow Belly

Yellow Belly to Ebony

12.5% Normal
12.5% Granite
12.5% Ivory
12.5% Ivory/Granite????unknown appearence

25% Yellow Belly
25% Ebony
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Michael Enriquez

You answered as I was replying to RK...lol

TY

As far as results, I would agree with the first part, but Ebony to Yellowbelly should produce:
25% Ivory
25% Ebony
25% Granite and
25% Yellowbelly

I am currently less than a week away from hatching 10 eggs from the Ebony mom. We will find out if it is reproducable and get some answers.

Thanks
Amir

no disrespect Amir...but if you do a double punnet square...normals will be produced...a yellow belly is a het animal and an Ebony is a double het as well...right?
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Michael Enriquez

Amir,
Thats one great looking you have and I look forward in seeing what you hatch so keep us posted.

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Steve

Ebony that is....lol

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Yellow Belly X Ivory is the easy one. Basically it's a het X homo breeding just like het albino X homo albino only you can see the hets (yellow bellies). Yellow Belly X Ivory would produce eggs each with a 50/50 chance of being either yellow belly or ivory.

Ebony gets a little more complicated. Ebony is a double het for yellow belly and Amir's strain of striped granite (which might or might not be the same as anyone else’s granites). I don't know yet if these two mutations are completely unrelated mutations of different genes on different chromosomes, different mutations of different genes on the same chromosome, or different mutations of the very same gene.

If Amir's granites and yellow bellies are mutations on different chromosomes then Ebony X Yellow Belly would produce eggs with the following odds per genotype:

12.5% Ivory Granite (het)
12.5% Ivory
25% Ebony
25% Yellow Belly
12.5% Granite (het)
12.5% Normal

If Amir's granites and yellow bellies are alleles (different mutations of the same gene) then the odds for each egg from Ebony X Yellow Belly would be:

25% Ivory
25% Ebony
25% Granite (het)
25% Yellow Belly

If they are different mutations of different genes that just happen to be on the same chromosome then the odds would be part way in-between the two sets above but closer to the 2nd set if they genes are very close together on the chromosome and closer to the 1st set of odds if the genes are far apart.