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05 Aztec Reverse Okeetee het Utra
and some eggs...

Just thought you would like to have a look and maybe let me know what you think..

i think that is one of the neatest looking baby corns I've ever seen! congrats!

Thanks Traci

Hear is Her Brother...

Well, now you got me interested....please, are any of these bad boys/girls for sale? Let me know please

Thanks,
Dan
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

Hi Dan thanks for the interest
I live in the UK so if you live in the states im sorry but i havent got a clue about export.

But i did hold back 10 from this cluch..
If you live in the uk then maybe..

Woops! that would create a problem Thanks for the reply...
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

I don't believe it is possible to have an amelanistic animal that is het for ultra, since the amel and ultra genes are allelic to one another.

You don't happen to have any pictures of the parents of your babies do you? I'd be intereasted to see what they look like too!

Thanks!!!!
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Here
Reverse okeetee & okeetee het ultra

Oh darin dont be such a baby my friend.
you just fancy a pop dont you.
some of the most unexpected things happen in the reptile world.
ok i should of said pos het ultra .
And there is the possibility that an amel can carry ultra.
at least im not suggesting that an almost positive white sided trait turns into a pied trait am i. you have only got to look at w/s pines w/s bulls w/s rats w/s pythons and on.. just happens that its crept into the corns too, almost all of them have developed white on the head too..
the thing is that pieds arnt cheep so by renameing an emerging white side trait to pied side will bring more Doller..
I think thats about it, A.

Hoot hoot

Sorry i ment Dollar

I also realize that we are, as one of my UK friends puts it, "separated by a common language." So, I am not taking anything personal in your responses here. However, let me just address a couple of things...

"ok i should of said pos het ultra .
And there is the possibility that an amel can carry ultra."

Uhhhh....no. There is no possibility of an amel carrying the ultra gene, because the two genes are allelic to one another. If an animal carries both the amel and ultra genes, the animal is an ultramel, and it looks decidedly different than does an amel. So, no, your amelanistic animal cannot carry the ultra gene...not even possibly so.

"at least im not suggesting that an almost positive white sided trait turns into a pied trait am i."

That sounds like an accusation, made after you stated above on this board that were not making any accusations. Have you changed your mind then?

"you have only got to look at w/s pines w/s bulls w/s rats w/s pythons and on.. just happens that its crept into the corns too, almost all of them have developed white on the head too.."

Wow...you're good! As I understand it, there are roughly a dozen people in the whole world who have ever even seen one of these pied-sided bloodreds "in the flesh," and NONE of them feel confident to say exactly what the genetics involved are, but you seem capable of making pronouncements of fact merely by looking at a few pictures. Impressive, indeed!

"the thing is that pieds arnt cheep so by renameing an emerging white side trait to pied side will bring more Doller.."

Well, the thing is that these animals are completely unique in the realm of corn snakes. No one has them outside of this line of animals, and I'm sure the prices are going to be reflective of that fact, regardless of what Don decides to call them.

You say "pieds arnt cheep" (sic), but I have no idea how you could know that, since I have never seen a proven pied animal anywhere, at any time. I know Frank Pinello hatched out a female that I think is probably the closest thing to an actual "pied" cornsnake (as the ball python people used the term "pied," I mean), but I don't believe he has proven that look to be a genetic trait, nor has it been reproduced to my knowledge. If there has been a reproduction of that pied trait or any other, it certainly hasn't been made known widely, and there are no offspring being sold as true pied cornsnakes...at least none that I have ever heard of.

So, how can you possibly be saying that Don Sodorberg might be naming his snakes "pied-sided" to cash in on the pied market, when no such pied market even exists? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all, regardless of which brand of "English" you are speaking...
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I also realize that we are, as one of my UK friends puts it, "separated by a common language." So, I am not taking anything personal in your responses here. However, let me just address a couple of things...

"ok i should of said pos het ultra .
And there is the possibility that an amel can carry ultra."

Uhhhh....no. There is no possibility of an amel carrying the ultra gene, because the two genes are allelic to one another. If an animal carries both the amel and ultra genes, the animal is an ultramel, and it looks decidedly different than does an amel. So, no, your amelanistic animal cannot carry the ultra gene...not even possibly so.
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-Reply- Take a closer look at my pic if im not mistaken my (VERY UNUSUAL ULTRAMEL) carries melanine of which it is showing in a few places. Around the small orange patches neck end. its much clearer in the flesh.
And this is someone elses statement = Amel Ultra = (something with some amount of melanine.

Im not a genetics wizard so correct me if im wrong...
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"at least im not suggesting that an almost positive white sided trait turns into a pied trait am i."

That sounds like an accusation, made after you stated above on this board that were not making any accusations. Have you changed your mind then?

-reply- No but i do tend to speak then think later Sometimes,so for that statement ,i am out of order. sorry.

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"you have only got to look at w/s pines w/s bulls w/s rats w/s pythons and on.. just happens that its crept into the corns too, almost all of them have developed white on the head too.."

Wow...you're good! As I understand it, there are roughly a dozen people in the whole world who have ever even seen one of these pied-sided bloodreds "in the flesh," and NONE of them feel confident to say exactly what the genetics involved are, but you seem capable of making pronouncements of fact merely by looking at a few pictures. Impressive, indeed!

-reply- I was just useing common sense, iv seen loads of white sided reptiles. the pictures in question and some better ones have been added, to me they are just too much like the standard w/s trait to be coined pied.
Like i said im not a genetics boff so it threw me right off to see the word pied when that has yet to be proven.
and more,You were quick enough to say that my corn was definatly NOT in anyway anything to do with ultra .
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"the thing is that pieds arnt cheep so by renameing an emerging white side trait to pied side will bring more Dollar.."

Well, the thing is that these animals are completely unique in the realm of corn snakes. No one has them outside of this line of animals, and I'm sure the prices are going to be reflective of that fact, regardless of what Don decides to call them.

-reply- ok you say unique, but i could be one breeder of many that just by selective lines of my own are producing the same W/S sibs or better, just because i or any one else excluding the breeder/s
of the reptiles in question have not posted Photos of the trait or better doesnt mean they are not there.
HHMMM
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You say "pieds arnt cheep" (sic), but I have no idea how you could know that, since I have never seen a proven pied animal anywhere, at any time. I know Frank Pinello hatched out a female that I think is probably the closest thing to an actual "pied" cornsnake (as the ball python people used the term "pied," I mean), but I don't believe he has proven that look to be a genetic trait, nor has it been reproduced to my knowledge. If there has been a reproduction of that pied trait or any other, it certainly hasn't been made known widely, and there are no offspring being sold as true pied cornsnakes...at least none that I have ever heard of.

-reply- and to quote ( just because i or any one else excluding the breeder/s
of the reptiles in question have not posted Photos of the trait or better doesnt mean they are not there.) and i didnt refer to corns i just said that pieds arnt cheap didnt i.
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So, how can you possibly be saying that Don Sodorberg might be naming his snakes "pied-sided" to cash in on the pied market, when no such pied market even exists? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all, regardless of which brand of "English" you are speaking...

-reply- my remarks were answered. and to add, there are a lot of collectors that are pied fanatics beit balls boas python king milk and so on, im not saying that Don Sodorberg has named to cash in, but in the real world fanatics could and do ofer vast sums of money just to get hold of a so called first. and the temptation of a bundle of cash.. well great people have fallen at the feet of money.
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Hey look, i am sorry if i have upset anyone in this forum and hope that i can continue posting without being ignored, i have ment no malice ..

DiDGEY.

Sorry, I had a hard time filtering all through your response Didgey, but I just want to reiterate what Darrin was saying. Unless your adult IS an ultramel, it cannot be an amel het for ultra or an ultra het for amel. It is one or the other. And as far as the pied sided or the white-sided argument(which I'm still not sure what the argument was...your hatchling doesn't look like a pied sided, just a nice bordered aztec amel.
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

the hatching picture is cool, if they were the same morph it would look like a mirror
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
1 wc eastern milksnake (psycho)