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Snow variation

vjl4 Aug 14, 2005 04:28 PM

Hello all,

I am interested in starting a snow breeding project and have seen a lot of variation in snows posted in the classifieds and on breeders web pages. If any of you have snows mind posting pics of them so I can see more of the variation?

As a short aside, any clues what triple homozygous amel/anery/hypo look like?

Thanks
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Replies (7)

Rtdunham Aug 14, 2005 07:35 PM

>>Hello all,
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>>I am interested in starting a snow breeding project and have seen a lot of variation in snows posted in the classifieds and on breeders web pages. If any of y

Hi Vinny,

I think you'll find that most of the differences you see in posted pics are the result of differing ages. Most babies are white or silver and...white or silver, different shades of those two, maybe cream. The yellow and pink develop with age and all but two of the yearling-or-older snows i've seen have those two pastel shades along with white/silver. The exceptions are one i have that's just pink and white, never developed yellow, and one russ bezette produced that was only yellow and white, never developed the pink. They were neat, but i haven't seen more like them. The yellow and white was neat in that it looked sort of like an albino cal king but with double yellow rings in each occurrence.

you can browse my website www.albinotricolors.com for images with filenames beginnign with snow, or 3-c (for the 3-color snow) or with snow in the filename, to see a variety of pix.

peace
terry

vjl4 Aug 14, 2005 10:39 PM

Hi Terry,

Thanks for the info, it helps a lot (the photos on your site too).

Do you think that the pink color is acutally pigment or blood in the capillary beds of the skin showing through? If it is pigment would that suggest the anery parent may be a hypoerythristic instead?

Thanks again,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Rtdunham Aug 15, 2005 07:08 PM

>>Do you think that the pink color is acutally pigment or blood in the capillary beds of the skin showing through? If it is pigment would that suggest the anery parent may be a hypoerythristic instead?

Vinny,

Yeah, it's pigment and we concluded some time ago on this basis and others (you can see some pale yellow/orange/violet tint in most "anerys" that what we call "anerythristic" hondos are really hypoerythristic. A number of us tried using that term so the nomenclature could adapt to reality. History shows the effort failed!

FROM "Banded Beauties, Honduran Milksnake Mutations," Reptiles Magazine, Sept 2002, by Terry Dunham:

"NOTE: Louis Porras rightly points out that these snakes hsould be called 'hypoerythristic' because the red is reduced, not absent. A true anerythristic would be white and black. Most anerythristic Hondurans have a faint, but clearly visible, violet, pink, yellow or orange hue where the red or orange rings would be on a wild type honduran. It's unlikely that Porras' precision will displace a decade of common usage, but for the sake of accuracy i'll use that term for the balance of this article. After all, a true, stark black and white anerythristic could be the next morph in the Honduran's future."

the heading on that section of the article even read:
"Hypoerythristics
(anerythristics)"

by the way, i obtained this year what's presumably only the third wild-caught hypoerythristic honduran to enter the U.S. The first died in Seattle in the early 1980s before breeding (actually, it was apparently constricted by cage mates who detected the scent of rodents on it after it was fed and returned to a cage with other hondos). The second was acquired by David Doherty in 1988 and is the maternal link to all today's "anerys"--David first bred his in 1989 and those hets produced the first captive born hypoerythristic in 1991. The one i just got is a female that should breed next year, providing a new lineage for the color variety.

peace
terry

vjl4 Aug 15, 2005 10:30 PM

Terry,

It should be interesting to see if the new anery you have is a true anery (kind of looks like one if I saw the right pic in your gallery).

In your original reply to my post you mentioned that russ bezette had produced a snow lacking any of the pink and that you have one that lacks yellow. Do you think that the one lacking pink is a true anery and that your snow lacking yellow may be axanthic as well? If so there could be a cross to get a pure white snow.

Sometimes I just love the detective work in genetics,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Rtdunham Aug 15, 2005 10:40 PM

Vinny,

I don't THINK the recent import is a new true anery. More likely it's just another hypoerythristic.

Even more likely that the two snows you asked about are double morphs of amel and the hypoerythristic and not a new anery form, despite the somewhat diff coloration: No black and white "anerys" have been produced from the parents that produced either animal, as would be expected if there were a diff anery morph operating in those pairings.

Far more likely the unusual colors are just part of the normal variation among hondurans. IMHO. Consider the dramatic range in coloration among amels, for ex., or even among "wild types" or normals. No reason those diffs wouldn't result in similar diffs among the hypoerythristics (or snows) produced.

terry

vjl4 Aug 16, 2005 10:47 PM

Terry,

Thanks for the info. Hope the true anery makes an apperance soon.

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Rtdunham Aug 17, 2005 08:29 AM

>>Terry,
>>
>>Thanks for the info. Hope the true anery makes an apperance soon.
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>>Vinny

me too. that would make for some startling anerys and ghosts.
terry

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