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This is a male from 04".He is the only one from this project to show any white on his head.He will be plenty busy next season.
Thanks for looking ROB

sweet! Do you have any of the siblings available? Great job there.
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

Hi Rob
Nice snake, is that a hybrid. I only say hybrid cos the head just doesnt seem right. it looks more like a white sided Ratty Corn ....
Sorry if im out of order but really that head isnt right..

Here is one of draybars posts for comparison..
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=862804,863001

Sorry to use your post draybar but its a beautifull headshot to compair with..

Rob, SORRY if im wrong but it really does look a hybrid..

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Didgey
No he 's not a Hybrid.I did notice the closeup head shot makes his head look a little blocky and mean looking.
I will try and get another shot of him tonight.
Thanks ROB

If you look at the other corn snale forum you will see a pie bald bloodred. I appears thes are becoming more common. Here is a pic of mine showing a little white on the snout.

Rob
like i said in my other post

"Rob, SORRY if im wrong but it really does look a hybrid.. "

if its not a hybrid then its not a hybrid.
i was expressing my thoughts on the ratsnake looking head.
anyway it still doesnt look pied. i thought the pied morph or gene was completely random and not uniform, i asked a friend of mine to help out searching for more info, he sent me a photo of what he said was a White sided bloodred corn , and i tend to agree.

Here is the picture.. i take no credit for this photo.. period..

Maybe the white sided gene has popped up in corns now aswell.

I believe that he is calling those animals "pied-sided bloodreds" for now, and they are not hybrids. They actually came from a breeding project, which was originated by Walter Smith afew years ago, then sold to Don, before the full white-sided effect was realized.

In this year's offspring (the F2 generation of the project), animals like the one pictured have been hatched. Ofcourse, right now, the exact nature of the genetics behind what is being seen is being studied and theories to be tested in coming years are being devised. Don will know more when those who are helping him in that area are through with their breeding results in a few years.

Until then, let me just point a few things things:

1. This has not been seen before among corns, to my knowledge. There have been bloodreds for some time with white patches here and there, but this pied-sided effect is completely new.

2. This has arisen from a specific line of bloodreds propigated by two of the most honest people I know in this business/hobby, and they have no evidence of any non-corn blood being used in the lineage.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

1st: i never once said that it WAS a hybrid.
2nd: i never said anyone was dis-honest.
3rd: What a great thread.
Darin its great that the snake in question has been backed up with your reply.
im just another reptile keeper with a valid opinion.
if more keepers were like me there wouldnt be so much mixed crossed and lied about reptiles on the market. well i would like to think that would be true.

Oh- i did say sorry if i was wrong in my first post..

It is a pukka blood though isnt it.
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No need to be defensive here. I don't believe I mentioned you or your posts in any way. I merely wanted to clear up where that animal (and those few like it) originated, since I believe Don S. is out of town for a show right now and therefore unable to speak on his own behalf.

I did not mention th honesty of those involved in the production of these animals because I thought you were implying that someone was lying...I was merely trying to assure those who know me (and that I simply do not lie for anyone for any reason) that this appears to be the real deal. Sorry, if you took it otherwise.

As far as I can see, you haven't done anything to be apologetic for in this thread. I have no problems with anything you've posted at all, nor can I see that anyone else does either.

I am in agreement that we need more honesty among breeders and keepers of these animals. You'll get no argument from me there!!!

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Yes,that is one of Don's babies.Hatched from the same bloodline as the yearling in the picture.
We aquired all of Walter Smith's stock,so that is where our babies are from.
I hope this clears up a few things.
Thanks ROB

If you think the head of these snakes look hybrid, you're just seeing inferior bloodred corns. These head shapes and markings (except for the white) are classic for good bloodred corns.

I assure you these are not hybrids unless DNA tests show that bloodreds are hybrids. These are from pure corns.

No foul here for saying what you did, but when you say these heads don't look like corns, you're mistaken. Now if you say bloodreds don't genetically behave like other corn morphs or don't look like other corns, I'm right there with you. It's what attracts me to them, but from all accounts of their origins, they're pure corns. Certainly these new ones I'm calling pied sided corns are from pure bloodred corns. We'll know in a few years if the trait is linked to bloods or can be infused in other morphs. Right now, it appears to be recessive, but Rob will have to do some more playing around with them before we know more. Next year, we should be able to put a proper genetic label on them.

I never did figure out how to post multiple images on one posting so here's one picture of one of them and will be followed by another.

Enjoy,

Don
South Mountain Reptiles
www.cornsnake.NET
830-964-3200
South Mountain Reptiles

I hate that danged ENTER key.

One more pic . . .

THAT'S what I've been waiting for! I've always wanted to see a "white-sided" bloodred - and it looks sooo much better than I ever imagined! What a great snake, now if I can just wait til there are enough to go around. Thanks!

That IS COOL, Don! I love those! Are you the only one that has those currently? (Sorry not a cornsnake morphologist - yet,lol)
(But I DO KNOW Kingsnakes!!!)

Zee

As far as we know, Rob and I are the only ones yet to produce them. That is very unofficial since I don't know who all has them, but based on responses on the forums, I believe Rob and I might be the only ones. Brad McDonald is reported to have some, but I don't know anything about his animals. Maybe he'll get on here and let us know what he has. I know Walter's (now Rob's) original male has quite a bit of white on it. Dunno who all the players are right now.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

Thanks Don! Those are AWESOME looking snakes!!! REALLY!

ZEE

wow thats an awsome snake. the wite sides make it look taller and the gray head is cool too
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
1 wc eastern milksnake (psycho)

great snake.

what makes them different than a normal bloodred
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
1 wc eastern milksnake (psycho)