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received this corn snake from a friend who was getting rid of his corns. It looks kind of like an okeetee but not really sure. What do you all think?

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PHLdyPayne

Looks like an okeetee to me..
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Cory
Corns
1.0 Snow
2.1 Anerythiristic
1.4 Okeetee
1.1 Bloodreds het Pewter
1.0 Amel
Rats
1.1 Black rats
Kings
1.0 California
1.0 Florida
Milks
1.1 Pueblan
Lots of mice and rats

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Okeetees are known for thick bold black saddle borders, a bright orange ground color and big bright red saddles. The bellies are often very boldly checkered as well, and there can be a wash of red on parts of the belly.
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

I expected it wasn't an Okeetee, but felt it was close enough to inquire. Here is a belly shot, if it helps to determine for sure if it's an Okeetee or simply a nice looking normal.

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PHLdyPayne

im pretty sure thats an ok
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
1 wc eastern milksnake (psycho)

>>Just because it doesn't look like the "typical" okeetee does not mean it is not an okeetee.
Was it sold to you as an okeetee?
There are still two schools of thought concerning okeetee.
As long as it has ancestry linked to the okeetee hunt club it is an okeetee no mater what it looks like.
Or as long as it has "the look" (look-a-tee). wide black borders strong contrast between background and saddles it is an okeetee.
So, just by looks I would say normal.
By ancestry I have absolutely no idea.

The above definitions are not neccessarily my opinions. Just the general arguments I have read so many times.

What would you call this

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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The guy who gave me the snake (and another deffinitely normal corn snake) bought them as normals. I suspect they are both just normal corns but was curious about the one with the noticeable black borders. He doesn't know the history of either snakes, in fact he had bought them from different breeders as females, and housed them together, only to learn that one of them is male. The female laid a clutch of eggs late this season.

I of course plan to keep them separate and most likely won't breed her the next breeding season, this way she can get more growth etc...though both are a good size for being about year and half old.

Will get some more pictures to give a better ideal of what the head looks like..she (or he, for that matter, as he couldn't remember which one laid eggs LOL) I think the okeetee wannabe (grin) is the male but not completely sure (just checked tail t hickness and this one seemed to be more thick. No probes to use to well, probe, nor any experience in doing it).

I do know the babies she did have this seaason hatched and had a mix of babies, so she may be a het or the male or both. No real clue as to what the offspring looked like though, as he really didn't know.

So basicaly I have no clue about the history of these two snakes. Breeding them in the future will show what sort of offspring they have and what possible hets both are. One thing I do know, is they came from different breeders.
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PHLdyPayne

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Generally the snakes from the Jasper co. area have larger square blotches so they have fewer blotches than the snake you have. The blotches on your snake are transversly elongated and so they are narrower, which means that there are more of them. I would bet that you snake has upwards of 35 body blotches whereas Okeetee area snakes would have between 28 and 34. Not all Okeetees have bold black borders or really intense red, but most do have those large square blotches. Intensely red corns are found occasionally in most populations of corn snakes. It is a beautiful corn snake, though. Enjoy it.
Jim

Ok, yes I agree. I just assumed that it was bought as a normal, therefore I wouldn't call it an Okeetee "phase". I will concede the whole locality issue. The true okeetee vs phase. But I'll stick by my guns with wide saddle borders intense saddle & ground color = Okeetee phase.
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Daniel Stephens
waynestephens@gmail.com

First of all it is a nice corn.....I love them.
The okeetee debate has been in progress for awhile now. Alot of the long term breeders of corns would classify that snake as a normal corn just because it doesnt have the thick black borders or orange ground color. I have animals that came from okeetee that I would not put in my okeetee colony just because they are not up to the standards of what people think of when they think of okeetee.....I would call your animal a nice classic cornsnake. --Joe