the one gary had came from a guy named mike walz...someone found the snake around emmaus, pa and brought it to mike's pet shop...steve , if you remember he reall wasn't too excited about the project...those cages...yeowww...i think a guy runs the whole outfit now under the name reptilesforsale.com....i think gary may have the role of the"SILENT PARTNER"....let me know what you find out..........