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I have read the recent posts about the goini's.
Now my question is; Can you tell me if the snake on the picture is a goini or not.

that looks one of them moasics...........

moasics.. ???????????

The mosaic kingsnake is a type of L.g.getula, And I believe yours is a L.g.getula of some kind. Very nice looking king, what did the seller tell you?

Looks like one of the typical intergrades...dark blotches, wide bands...remember I said intergrades. Kind of an unusual pattern going on with the interbands there. The problem with identifying these nowadays is if you don't really know where it came from, then it's hard to tell exactly what it is. Especially with all the FL X "goini" and even FL X Eastern Kings being produced in captivity today.

I've never collected Goini or any other King snake but i do own a few Goini and i think you can call your snake a goini... it's a very attractive snake... Very!

what's the sex on that snake? how old is it... do u plan on bredding it soon?

i think the head pattern on this striped male is similar to that on your snake

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Thanx
Royal Blue Reptilez

~ZF

Zee, Part of the confusion amongst this population is that everything and anything is called "goini" today. After looking at your pics I would call each one this:

Pic 1: Apalachicola King or "goini", whichever suits you best...remember though, the name "goini" originally described an intergrade form. This specimen is close to being patternless but has all sorts of irregular spots.

Pic 2: Definitely an intergrade. This one looks more like an Eastern King with it's narrower bands but obviously shows the Apalachicola King influence in that the interbands are somewhat lightened.

Pic 3: If that's a Blaze Phase I'm not commenting on it!

Pic 4: Typical juvenile blotched specimen. This one has nice wide bands but you'll have have to wait until it ages to see if those interbands lighten up or not.

Pic 5: A beautiful, patternless Apalachicola King (or "goini"

Ewwww Zenny has a company name now... Nice!!!! You got a website with that name yet??? Good for you man. Anyway just so you know that patternless male was bought 2nd person by me from someone who was told when he bought it that it was from Kevin Enge. I have never noticed any Goini kings on Kevin's table that I recall, but that doesn't mean he didn't breed it. I have no proof either way which is why I never brought it up when we talked about it when I sold it to you. I did want you to know about that now though. Also if you ever decide to sell it let me know first. I am kicking myself everytime you post a pic of it. Oh yeah, you are fattening him up from that last pic. Whooa
Later Jason

Len and Kevin traded some "goini" a few years back and I think if there were two that would breed their snakes "true" those two would be on my list.
The patternless snake I have now is from a clutch that Len hatched from (originally) Kevin's snakes.
:Mark

I wasn't implying that the snake was not pure or that it was less of a snake being from Kevin. I just never saw any Goini on Kevins tables so I have always been suspicous of the animal really being from Kevin. But if he traded for it from Lenny than even better because I have seen his and they rock. I jsut never had proof of the origins of the animal.
Later Jason

Haven't setup a website... i started designing one on Micosoft Frontpage... looks pretty good... but i think i need to befriend someone that's good with web design
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Thanx
Royal Blue Reptilez

~ZF

I agree with you on pic 1, 2, 4, and 5...

pic 3 isn't a blaze phase it's from a hi-red bloodline but isn't all that red in my opinion.

snake in pic 2 does show a lot of Eastern influence, she even has a chain pattern...

the last snake (pic 5.) is a great snake i got from JHood. he's gonna be a monster.




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Thanx
Royal Blue Reptilez

~ZF

goini?absolutely

my guess would be intergrade i see some eastern influence bigtime,along w/floridana and or goini,measi,appalachicola,splotched,whatever,,,,,,thats a very nice lookin king there
getula rule!
,,,,,,,,,thomas davis

Got another pic?? As oh now I would say cross with a eastern x florida but not for any real reason other than I can't see it that well.
Later Jason

lol,remember,as of now,that's precisely what the goini is considered to be-a locally occurring phase derived of easterns integrading with floridas.....so to call it a goini,or a cross between fla. and eastern is one and the same-officially speaking-until otherwise noted change in it's taxonomic status

Yeah I don't believe that line on how they came to be but for those that do that must have looked pretty funny. I am glad you pointed it out. I had a good laugh when I realized what I said.
Later Jason