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My female Ghost cal king refused to breed my male (wanting to kill and eat instead). This happened 2 years in a row.

So this year I bred my Albino High White male to my female Ghost. I bred them twice and both times she tried to kill him (although he is bigger than her), but I kept thumping her head until they were locked.

She laid 7 eggs, all 7 hatched, AND I got 5 albinos!!!!!!!!

So my Ghost female is het for albinism.

Kerby...

Albino High White

Kerby...

Ghost female

Kerby...

So is this the same ghost that BHB and Tim Turmezie had a few years back? I had an adult trio that I sold back in the mid 90's/ If these are the same I wonder why BHB or nobody else dicosvered they were allelic with the T- gene.

So is this Ghost in some way related to the albino...of course it MUST be but I find it hard to beleive. I know that "GHOST" usually refers to a hypoXanery or hypoXaxanthic but in this case could this be a cross from captive breeding or is it really a wildcaught/bred morph of its own that just happens to have the amel gene in it?

Weird if this is the case. Breed it to a snow and lets see what happens.

***So is this the same ghost that BHB and Tim Turmezie had a few years back?***

I got mine from B.H.B. in 2002.

***I wonder why BHB or nobody else dicosvered they were allelic with the T- gene.***

When I talked with Brian from B.H.B. he said that he got them from somebody else and that he had terrible fetility problems with breeding Ghost x Ghost; so he out-crossed them to other cal kings. I'm sure THAT is where the albino gene came into play.

***So is this Ghost in some way related to the albino...of course it MUST be but I find it hard to beleive.***

I'm sure that the original Ghost (Palomar) cal king was not het for albinism. But with Brian out-crossing to increase fertility is when the albino gene came into play. I do not believe that the Ghost gene is a combination of two recessive genes, but rather is a single simple recessive gene. But if we are selling all of our babies (hets) then we will never know.

***I know that "GHOST" usually refers to a hypoXanery or hypoXaxanthic but in this case could this be a cross from captive breeding or is it really a wildcaught/bred morph of its own that just happens to have the amel gene in it?***

I agree, "Ghost" may not be an accurate term, BUT it is a simple recessive gene. If anything it might/should be called a hypo???? I keep using the term Ghost, because people associate that term with the B.H.B. line. According to Brian, it was a wild-caught original. Did not have the amel gene in it. That came later with out-crossing. I did breed my male, this year and last year to a female albino and never produced an albino. Just some double hets LOL. So, I am assuming that my male is not het for albinism.

***Weird if this is the case. Breed it to a snow and lets see what happens***

By snow, are you meaning Blizzard? I did breed my Albino High White male a couple of years ago to a female Blizzard and produced all albinos (although different looking). Which is what I expected as the Blizzard is 100% albino & melanistic at the same time. So I ended up with albinos that are 100% het for melanism in that project. I will try that suggestion next year (Ghost x Blizzard) - I should get normal babies that are triple hets (albino, melanism, & ghost).

Just getting started here with cal king recessive genes. My Lavender x Mendotas just hatched the other day as well.

Kerby...

"I will try that suggestion next year (Ghost x Blizzard) - I should get normal babies that are triple hets (albino, melanism, & ghost)."

That is if I use my male Ghost (not het for anything) x a Blizzard female.

If I use my male Blizzard (albino & melanistic) x my female Ghost (het albino), then I should get some albinos.

I did breed my male Ghost this year to a female Mendota (melanistic) and got normals (really brown) that are double hets. So i know those are 2 different genes.

Also next year I am going to breed my male Chocolate Banana with a female Chocolate Banana to see if I get 100% Chocolate Bananas. And breed my male Chocolate Banana to a Mendota to see if that is also the same gene or different.

Kerby...

I am glad to see somebody sorting all those genes out. I especially want to see what happens with the Chocolate Bannana X Mendota and I think the Lavender Mendotas will look way cool.
Just to clarify a Blizzard is an Albino X Melanistic right? So a Snow would have to be an Albino High-White, right?

I've seen the term "SNOW" used for High Whites and "SNOW" for Blizzards. IMO, "SNOW" is a term that does not exist in cal kings. Most people who are familiar with cal kings are also familiar with cornsnakes and other species. Obviously, "SNOW" in cornsnakes is a snake that displays both anery & amel at the same time. So to use "SNOW" in cal kings is just a description, meaning High White. High White is just an aberrancy.

I will admit though that a lot of terms need to be clarified for CALIFORNIA KINGSNAKES. Who is going to do this? How will it be accepted? etc..

Other terms that may not be accurate:

Ghost
Snow
Melanistic
Hypo
Hypo-melanistic

I did finally get a pair of Blue-Eyed Blondes, and I will admit that they are different than Lavenders, but I've seen lots of different looking Lavenders (becasue the cal king would look different without the Lavender gene). So my goal in a couple of years is to breed the Blue-eyed Blonde to the Lavenders to see if it is a different recessive gene.

Then what are we going to call cal kings that display 2 different recessive genes at the same time?:

Albino/Melanistic = Albino Blizzard
Albino/Lavender = ?
Albino/Ghost = ?
Albino/Blue-eyed Blonde = ?
Lavender/Melanistic = Lavender Blizzard ?
Lavender/Ghost = ?
Lavender/Blue-eyed Blonde = ?
Melanistic/Ghost = ?
Melanistic/Blue-eyed Blonde = ?
Blue-eyed Blonde/Ghost = ?

Then the cal kings that display 3 recessive genes at the same time?

How about 4?

How about 5?

Sooner than we think..........

Kerby...

Other terms that may not be accurate:

Ghost
Snow
Melanistic
Hypo
Hypo-melanistic

Kerby... The ghost term may or may not be accurate, but if you push yours off as ghosts, then they are ghosts. No one is gonna question the morph name coming from an expert in cali kings.

The "snow" morph I would assume doesn't exist, since there are no real anerythristic cali kings, to my knowledge anyways.

The melanistic term is 100% accurate, a melanistic is a cali king that is jet black, with no white. Or no markings. But, apparently the "Mendota" cali kings are melanistic as well.

The terms "Hypo" and "Hypo-melanistic" are the same exact thing. From the Hypos I have seen (Merker line), the name is accurate and they do infact look like a Hypo snake should.

Then what are we going to call cal kings that display 2 different recessive genes at the same time?:

Sooner than we think..........

Didn't you make a post about this before? I recall seeing a post just like this a while back. It would be good to come up with names for all of these new morphs... But I myself don't think names should be considered until any of these are produced. I'm sure when you see babies and when other people see babies, new names will just pop until their heads.

The names will probably just be a combination of the traits involved. Like the "Albino Ghost" or the "Blue Eyed Blonde Lavender California Kingsnake".

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>>>I totally agree. The Snow Cal Kings should not be called Snow, nor should the Ghosts be called Ghost. Melanistic I have less of a problem with because I think the term covers a broad range of looks like Hypomelanistic does. Blizzard I don't know about, what is a Blizzard in Cornsnakes?
Maybe all the Cal King morph guys should get together and see if they can agree on some new names. I don't think it will happen though because these names are pretty well established and some of them were coined by guys who should have known better anyway. But there were not nearly as many morphs back then so I can understand it.
Personally I think Albino Hi-White is fine for "Snows". I like "Phantom" instead of "Ghost". I think it's good because it sounds similar to Ghost. I don't know if that name has ever been used.
Congrats on the Blue-Eyed Blonds and I will leave the other names to you since you are working with them and I haven't got a clue.

Thanx Kerby

BTW I have a line on a new morph of Cal king a friend has kept under wrpas. Its an axanthic.

Cool, any pics? Or history on it? Or who has it? C'mon, you know that I want some!

Kerby...