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Attention Florida Residents

goini04 Aug 26, 2005 09:24 PM

Please read the following and be prepared to fight:

For Immediate Release Contact: Holly Bowman

August 22, 2005 954-727-2733

STATE FORMS CAPTIVE WILDLIFE COMMITTEE

Animals, People Likely Not Safer

( Florida ) - With tragic incidents of human injuries and animal cruelty in the media's recent spotlight, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission announced plans to review the state of the State's captive wildlife. Last month, the FWCC announced that they had formed a Captive Wildlife Technical Assistance Group to review current captive wildlife regulations and suggest changes that would improve Florida 's rules.

With the escape of Bobo the tiger and other less publicized, but equally troubling episodes still looming over the FWCC, the agency was hard pressed not to review its regulations. But, like the 4 previous committees formed to determine how wildlife should be kept, this one is comprised almost exclusively of "stakeholders" (to use the state's term), which essentially puts the fox in charge of the henhouse. We basically have Steve Sipek (owner of Bobo the two time escapee tiger) calling the shots.

The continuation of the FWCC to stack the committee with members having financial or personal interests in reducing restrictions could be the reason for many of the problems Florida faces today.

In the last three years in Florida , there have been 46 incidents in which dangerous captive exotic animals have escaped from their cages and/or attacked a human being. Nearly half of these incidents resulted in serious human injuries.
Florida is now home to more tiger breeders than anywhere else in the country. There was a reported 50% increase in the number of captive tigers in this state in the last year alone.
Florida 's diverse habitat and subtropical climate has made it the "perfect" dumping ground for exotic pet owners whose animals have become too difficult to manage. As a result, Florida now teems with invasive, non-native species such as African monitor lizards, Burmese pythons, green iguanas and even vervet monkeys, some of which are causing ecological disasters.
Considering that only .0005 of Floridians own exotic animals, it seems inexplicable that all but two of the FWCC's current 11 member Captive Wildlife Technical Assistance Group either own wild animals as pets or make their living from the use of captive wild animals. And as a result, the other grossly misrepresented 99.9995 of Floridians who don't own exotic animals are forced to pay the price of inadequate wildlife laws designed to benefit the owners of exotic animals rather than ensure public health and safety.

"With its members having a vested interest in reducing restrictions on captive wildlife owners, the current committee offers little, if any, hope for improvement," says Holly Bowman, ARFF Captive Exotic Animal Specialist. "Instead, it may even exacerbate Florida 's disastrous state. To truly ensure the community's safety and the animals' welfare, a complete ban on private possession of exotic animals must be adopted."

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The Animal Rights Foundation of Florida (ARFF) is the state's largest animal rights organization. With over 4,000 members state-wide, the goal of ARFF is to end animal cruelty, suffering and exploitation.

Humane USA PAC
P.O. Box 19224
Washington, D.C. 20036
Email: humaneusa@humaneusa.org

Replies (18)

garsik Aug 27, 2005 04:12 AM

.0005 own exotic pets, including green iguanas?

garsik Aug 27, 2005 07:56 AM

I went to their website. ARFF is a relatively small group which brags about making significant changes through phone and letter writing campaigns. I suggest that rather than bothering a legislative intermediary, we employ their tactics. They give out email addresses of those we are to harrass. We can email the same people with support (Miami Metrozoo for example). We can also email ARFF to question their dubious lies, damn lies, and statistics (to paraphrase Mark Twain or Samuel Clemens, I can never keep those two straight).

Here is my example:

" I read your news release about the FWCC forming a Captive Wildlife Technical Assistance Group. I am curious that I should consider that .0005 of Floridians own exotic animals. Could you please provide a credible source for this number ( oddly expressed as a decimal and not a percent)?

James T Garsik, Ph.D."

ARFF is now on my "favorites" list for monitoring.

goini04 Aug 27, 2005 08:20 AM

Hi,

I agree. I think we need to take a few counter-measures and then we can stop them in their tracks with some contradicting evidence.

Do you have the direct link to that site?

Thanks,

Chris

>>I went to their website. ARFF is a relatively small group which brags about making significant changes through phone and letter writing campaigns. I suggest that rather than bothering a legislative intermediary, we employ their tactics. They give out email addresses of those we are to harrass. We can email the same people with support (Miami Metrozoo for example). We can also email ARFF to question their dubious lies, damn lies, and statistics (to paraphrase Mark Twain or Samuel Clemens, I can never keep those two straight).
>>
>>Here is my example:
>>
>>" I read your news release about the FWCC forming a Captive Wildlife Technical Assistance Group. I am curious that I should consider that .0005 of Floridians own exotic animals. Could you please provide a credible source for this number ( oddly expressed as a decimal and not a percent)?
>>
>>James T Garsik, Ph.D."
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>>ARFF is now on my "favorites" list for monitoring.

garsik Aug 27, 2005 09:29 AM

Sorry I don't. Truth is I don't know how to add such things to messages. Just did a google search.
At their website are two news releases about an aging primate named Edith found at a roadside attraction in another state. Both articles are basically the same but one accuses Miami Metrozoo and the other accuses Parrot Jungle. How one animal can be associated with two zoos for the same offense and be an alleged industry standard is beyond me.
I also sent them an email on this one. I don't like doing it, but that is their tactic.

garsik Aug 27, 2005 09:55 AM

I forgot to mention the alleged offence is old animal dumping. I questioned their veracity and then what alternatives they support.

Rtdunham Aug 27, 2005 02:30 PM

>>.0005 own exotic pets, including green iguanas?

budgies, canaries, neon tetras, zebra fish, swordtails, hamsters, guinea pigs, macaws, any number of saltwater aquarium fish, zebra finches, and so on.

can't have much respect for an organization that would fabricate a statistic like this...and can't expect much argument that can pass scrutiny.

on the other hand, the exotic releases established in florida ARE a threat to the interests of herpers, birders, anyone interested in wildlife. and the lack of common sense utilized by some people in housing and caring for their exotics is apalling, should be of concern to those of us on "our" side of the fence, as well as those on the other.

peace
terry

rearfang Aug 27, 2005 03:30 PM

Did a bit of research. The big gun behind this is The Humane Society of the United States.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

joeysgreen Aug 27, 2005 01:07 PM

At the risk of sounding like I am pro-banning dangerous exotics, it would make sense to have better representation on any board that oversees the laws pertaining to such.

An example would be the Animal Welfare Commitees that are set up to monitor and legislate lab animal usage. One board member is a laboratory manager/attendant who is educated in animal sciences and may or may not have a vested interest in animal usage. Also included is the required overseeing DVM. Several unrelated people with animal education and background (DVM's, Vet techs, researchers, school deans, ect) make up the majority of the board. Also important, but equally important are the "lay person" of which are also on the board to carry the viewpoint that may be overlooked by those who live and work animals.
This commitee says ya or nay to researchings requesting permission to carry out experiments on animals. The commitee will also suggest differing numbers of animals, and variences on the actual protocal of the experiment that need to be changed prior to resubmission.

I think this outline would work well for what Florida may or may not have planned with it's exotics.
Ian

rearfang Aug 27, 2005 01:43 PM

The problem with putting "Lay" persons on the board is the level of education (in animal fields) drops dramatically. For example: Tell me how someone who doesn't know anything about snakes and doesn't like them is going to be impartial and for that matter knowlegeable to give a fair opinion on laws reguarding the keeping of them.

See That is how these animal groups work. They don't want people who know or care about animals through experience. They want idealistic ignoramuses that are easily led to their agenda which ultimately is elimination of all pet animals.

I'd love to sit on that commitee...and I guarentee you i am far more qualified than most that will.

Of course if I were there ARFF would be some unhappy campers.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

joeysgreen Aug 27, 2005 05:29 PM

I think you misunderstood the purpose. It's not like they have veto power, everything is done on a vote; and most people on the board, while having varying backgrounds, are educated on the topic. The "lay person" is there to bring up concerns that represent the unknowing public. All topics are discussed, and the knowledge rubs off on the lay person, so not as knowledgeable, they are informed.

I hope this clears things up, this model does work fantastic in the CALAS world.

Another example come to think of it, is this forum. Filled with herpers, but also represented by Joe-blow visitor. If we all voted on something after a discussion, the out come would be pretty informed and fair.

Ian

rearfang Aug 27, 2005 05:48 PM

I polietly disagree.

How can Joe Blow who knows nothing about the animals involved make an informed decision better than people who work with them or enforce the present laws?

It is simply a ploy by the HSUS and other groups to stack the deck and force legislation through use of ignorant and easily infuenced pawns on the commitee.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

joeysgreen Aug 29, 2005 04:45 AM

On the other hand, a commitee that only represents one viewpoint is hardly a commitee at all

rearfang Aug 29, 2005 07:30 AM

If having an informed viewpoint instead of an extreme or uniformed one represents a single viewpoint..I'll take that.

A word to the wise. These radical groups do not play fair. They do depend on us to play fair so they can manipulate "Fair minded" commitees to pass their regulations.

Again, remember that the ARFF and HSUS want to end All exotic pet keeping.

Do you really want to trust their idea of fair?

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

EricWI Aug 27, 2005 04:15 PM

Tentative Florida Dates Wildlife meetings

September 28 & 29th

October 20 & 21st

December 8 & 9th
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LarryF Aug 27, 2005 06:20 PM

"only .0005 of Floridians own exotic animals" (that makes about 8500 people)
http://animalrightsflorida.org/Media.html#082205

"the number of owned and feral cats, combined, that are outdoors and potentially preying on wildlife in Florida is in the neighborhood of 12.5 to 15.8 million."
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/arus18jlanduseenvtll441.htm

Anyone want to take a guess why cat owners are not at the top of their hit list?...

If you really want to know what class of people we're dealing with at humaneusa.org, you might be interested to know that they have a spreadsheet on their web site titled "2004 List of exotic animal owners in Florida"...

phobos Aug 27, 2005 07:58 PM

I like the way you think Larry...great point!

Al
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You can take the snake out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the snake.

EricWI Aug 28, 2005 02:00 PM

Captive Wildlife Technical Assistance Group

Notes from August 25-26, 2005

These are some of the changes they agreed upon during the last meetings:

All class 1 animals require 5 acres

All class 2 require 2 1/2 acres

Deleting the term "appropriate neighborhood"

Defining by acreage (against Animal Controls advice)

35 ft buffers for class 1 and 2 animals

Suggested leaving the issue of “leasing” neighbor’s property/properties to qualify on acreage for permits.

Future concerns and discussions mentioned:

Will be addressing problems with class 3 animals such as capuchins.

Disaster preparedness with check off sheets/ Armstrong from Animal Control would like to head the disaster plans

Possible list of owners going to municipalities (suggested by Dan)

(For emergencies/staff)

Review classifications of animals/changes

Review cage requirements; discuss second entrances or barrier caging

Susan Clubb concerned about the amount of primates affected by the increase for class 2, Requests a figure on how many animals will be affected by increase.

She also suggested we break up the class 1 animals into AB groups.

Gloria also suggested different categories for class 1 animals.

All documents from the meetings are public record

Animal Control continually addressing the "fears" or perception" of the public and that they deserve to feel safe. Wants all exotics animals out of residential neighborhoods.

He mentioned an escaped black mamba snake numerous times and the fact there were children in the area.

Others objected due to the impossibility and unrealistic task of easing all fears which may not even be warranted.

During the meeting on day 2 Julie Jones stated that it was certainly about perception and had to be addressed (resolutions) as such. .

HSUS did not want meetings open to the public

Animal Control against the transfer of licenses/ permits through transfers of permitted property.

(No transferred property and licenses)

Julie Jones said there will be future work shops on regulations???

Will be addressing problems with class 3 animals such as capuchins.

Donovan repeatedly recited a federal ”right to farm law” which protects any commercial USDA animal owner

Next Meetings:

September 29th and 30th

October 20th and 21st

December 8th and 9th
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bps516 Aug 29, 2005 11:52 AM

I have difficulty with a group who's name sounds like a barking dog... I understand that everything short of Neanderthal Man is being dumped in Florida, but do you really think that they can ban all exotic animals from being owned? I'm sorry, the state can't even keep the Cubans out, and now they are going to try to regulate Guinea Pigs?
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