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was just wondering, since i am new to snakes and all, what type of kingsnake this is? it was sold to me as a 50/50 cal king? was the guy telling the truth or is it something different. the reason i ask is it doesn't look like many 50/50's i have seen. so thanx for any help.

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CURRENTLY HAVE

0.0.2 PACMAN FROGS------CHUBBS,FRANK THE TANK,
1.0 50/50 CAL KING----PHYSCO SID
0.0.1 SULCATA TORT------BRUNO

here is another pic

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CURRENTLY HAVE

0.0.2 PACMAN FROGS------CHUBBS,FRANK THE TANK,
1.0 50/50 CAL KING----PHYSCO SID
0.0.1 SULCATA TORT------BRUNO

Your king is a 50-50 cal IMO with somewhat aberrant banding, here's one of mine.

A 50/50 is a discription, not a type of kingsnake. It means, 50% white and 50% black. It was originally assigned to a desert king, like from west of Las Vegas and other desert locals that fit that discription.

It was understood that Cal king were Black and white. As yours is a captive cross(amoung cal king locals) it has some yellow and abberant banding and is not really a 50/50. But as with many things, as captive breeding became widespread, original terms have lost their meaning. So whom ever sold you that nice Cal king, wasn't either right or wrong. That individual simply does not fit the original intent of the discription. Good Luck FR

hmm, so what can i consider him to be lol? he also has no black on, he is more of a brown and yellow i guess! i still like him whatever he is!! just want to make sure of exactly what he is. thnx again
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CURRENTLY HAVE

0.0.2 PACMAN FROGS------CHUBBS,FRANK THE TANK,
1.0 50/50 CAL KING----PHYSCO SID
0.0.1 SULCATA TORT------BRUNO

45-55 or maybe a 55-45 some snake dealers are not very honest.
still that's a very nice cal.

thnx, i think he is quite nice. i haven't decided if i am going to breed him yet, and if i did i wouldn't know what color his mate should/would/could be. also have a quick question, is it natural for kings to hide all the time? i swear about 95 percent of the time he is burrowed or in his hide. is this normal? thnx again for the help
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CURRENTLY HAVE

0.0.2 PACMAN FROGS------CHUBBS,FRANK THE TANK,
1.0 50/50 CAL KING----PHYSCO SID
0.0.1 SULCATA TORT------BRUNO

It's quite normal for kingsnakes to be reclusive, you can gradually bring him out it, without to much attention. If ya like the bolder kings try floridana or easterns

Nice layout. It works on a bunch of levels...almost "arty", lol.

But you're wrong about that kingsnake. It's a 52-48. I counted the scales...

You mean i was wrong for once in my life?
DAMN,DAMN,DAMN,gosh,gee,shoot,wow,nuts, oh well, nobodys perfect.
glad you like the pic,lol!

I think you might have taken FR's post a little wrong.

I lived and collected in Cali during the early years and the 50/50 designation came for a pure line of desert kings and not a cross with coastal king in it.

The original designation for a 50/50 pertained to a desert cal king and not a designer cal king.

What you have is a designer cal king. Some people call them 50/50's today but they don't undertand that came about from crossing newport cal kings and coastal cal kings together to create the high yellows (aka bannana). Then they bred the bannanas into the desert (white banded) line to create the 50/50 which should be properly called designer cal kings.

The only thing 50/50 about them is they are coastalxdesert.

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I'm sure he was right, whatever he said or omitted. I was teasing Jetzen for his 55/45 call, which was clearly too radical. I'll stick with 52/48 but will point out that is when the margin of error of the polls that call it 50/50.

But again, I concur 100% with FR. No matter what.

all kidding aside i do respect F.R's knowledge and expertise and sometimes i agree with him without realizing it.

Jealousy brings out the worst in me.

I agree with Frank half the time. I agree with a broken clock twice a day. So FR is better than a broken clock. Except for his lack of tact, which creates more heat than light.

But then, look who's typing about heat:light ratios...in my hot dark cave....!

I did just complete my FR Costco Rack tonight. I'm testing it out with a couple of kings I don't want to lose, so I hope Frank's idea works. I noticed he pictured a lot of nice snakes in one.

Thanks Frank. Cheap and efficient, if not a bit sterile.

can you post a pic of that rack? i would like to see it thnx, also thnx for all the replies, i now have no ideal what my king is!! lol designer, 50/50, 40/30 whatever hehe
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CURRENTLY HAVE

0.0.2 PACMAN FROGS------CHUBBS,FRANK THE TANK,
1.0 50/50 CAL KING----PHYSCO SID
0.0.1 SULCATA TORT------BRUNO

bought #8 from Jason Hood's last eastern clutch? That was my pick of the clutch but i was too slow on the draw, oh well i can't loose them all.
FR's costco rack is awesome, if i was a costco member i'd build one myself.

Guilty. #8 and #5 are in my evil clutches now! And gulping f/t pinks like champs. Thanks Jason!

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I added a really cool snap in heat tape system. Of course it has a reostat on it, for adjusting.

I just popped the tharyi/calking crosses in one, a few minutes ago. And a ruthvens I hatched last year.

I am thinking of building another one and trying to sell them at a local show next month.

One of the hatchling tharyi(not a cross) ate four pinks the week it had its first shed. Hmmmmmmmmm I needed to seperate them so that sucker wouldn't be such a pig.

So far, the racks have been working well. Cheers FR

Easy does it, you're makin yourself look too clever for everyone! that is a super cool rack.

The furthest are raiseup racks for mice. Each cage holds fifty mice, and two weeks of food, auto water, and auto drain off, in case the water nipples leak. Heck if they leak, I don't even lose a pinky.

The closer ones are breeding cages, there are 32 cages to a rack, each holds 1.7 to 1.9 depending on temps(time of year). Each rack is 30 inches by 28 inches, is on wheels and can be moved about the room with disconnecting the water. Each rack holds about 250 females. Also two weeks of food and auto water and drainoff. They are slide outs and you do not have to remove them from the rack, or you can, no problem. They are front feeders, no need to feed from the back.

Of course, these are of my own design and are suited for what I do here. At this time I am producing about 3000 sellable mice a week and feed all my animals and my sons(he doesn't help, the punk)

But wait, theres more for next time. FR

FR I saw those at Costco and was wondering how you sealed the tops off so your snakes don't get out?
Thanks
Jim Baptista

I spot welded galv. sheet metal tops on each slide rail. There are probably many ways to do this. Just pick a way suited for you and your tools. Or you may want to take the rack to a sheet metal shop.

I have a small shop with some sheet metal tools, so I could do it myself. Good luck FR

Thanks I will be looking a little closer at those racks.
Jim

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I'm glad i don't have to produce that many rodents, PEE-U!
nice system.

hey fr,
you had said before you got the basics for that rack at costco.we have one here in houston & im gonna go look, where?what section?tools?,chest? any help,,thanks,,,,,,,thomas

They are in the aisle with office chairs and supplies.

nice rack frank.

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see you soon.
james

Does goini come from that book's coauthor? (If I was obsessed with goini I'm sure I'd know!)

Yes, "goini" is named after this famous Professor of Biological sciences, University of Florida, there's lot's of info online about him.

Desert phase Cal Kings are known for extra wide bands and crisp colors. Generally, the farther away from the Coast, the darker the Cal King speciemens.

To accentuate the desert phase traits, specimens were collected from primarilly 3 places:

Joshua Tree National Park
Las Vegas/Clark County
San Filipe, Baja

Most of the 50/50 specimens are descended from these locales. They are known for their confident, docile nature.

I have one, named Mojave. He's my best snake pet yet. (Have had 4 species of Kings and at least 5 other species.)