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OK, so you see the parents and then you see a bunch of the offspring. They are all eating well, good size to them, etc. What does one look for in purchasing the cream of the crop GTP from a particular clutch? I have heard that reds tend to have more intrict patterns as adults...

I don't think there is a magic formula. I virtually had first pick(other than holdbacks) for my first two chondros, and neither have turned out to be the "best" of the clutch in terms of designer animals. They were both unique in their own way and definitely killer looking babies. I know for a fact that one of the most stunning hatchlings from one of the clutches,(a really nice blaze baby) turned out to be the plainest looking adult.

As far as looks go, I think people usually choose the most spectacular, or different looking babies. If there is something that sets it apart from the clutchmates(like maybe orange markings as opposed to white or yellow on a red baby), then it will likely be chosen first. Plain babies sometimes turn into spectacular adults too. I think this is part of the fun of raising chondros! I know the breeder I got my first two from simply picks the best feeding and most aggressively tempered babies from a clutch when buying new stock.

I just pick on personal taste. Besides pattern and color, I also like to look at their head shape, and if they have developed enough to notice a difference(as it' shard to tell when they are hatchlings), I will let that help me make a choice.

Jsut my thoughts,
Kevin

I picked this one from a whole clutch solely based on the fact that it had the shortest, chunkiest head of the bunch

Very nice white line goin' down the back as well.

id like to add that i think you may be wrong about the red baby thing.its my understanding and experience that both reds and yellow babies can make equally impressive adults and neonate color means little when it come to adult looks.now i only own 4 chondros,all but one was a yellow,and the red one is the least attractive adult of them all.i have also seen breeder sites where they show their star sires and dams,and also show them as neonates,yearlings and changlings.they decide to holdback almost as much yellows as reds but i do see them holding back more reds.i think this is because they sometimes make more interesting changlings,but not really nicer adults once changed.again i could be wrong,i only own 4.

their you go again... thinking you have experience...
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

had i said something untrue,i think i covered myself by how many times i said,it was my understanding,i could be wrong,i think,i onlt have 4 chondros..ect,ect.if someone thought they knew it all(and i stated i didnt) they wouldnt have added these things.now if youre still bitter about me correcting you about assuming that megs chondro was a canary,well you got a lot of growing up to do.i think youre assuming way to much and its a much safer guess to say its what she bought and paid for rather than have her thinking its something else because of some hairbrained forum poster thinks he knows a baby canary from one picture he has seen.a lot of breeders i have spoken to tell me that both reds and yellows can make equally impressive adults.if you feel different,please add something.your post was really annoying in that it accomplished nothing but attaempt to undermine my responce without one of your own.....so im assuming that you feel that the majority of special chondros came from red babies??please have said that in your post.

Please don't get in a brawl over my beautiful girl! I absolutely have no interest in a yellow snake. I want green and blue...the more blue the better! I would be very dissapointed if I ended up with a yellow, or even high yellow chondro, so it certainly doesn't excite me to have someone even suggest (however unlikely) that I happen to have mistakenly received a Canary.
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

i didnt bother responding to your comment on how you cant tell a locale by the way it changes,but everyone that deals with chondros will tell you otherwise.its not 100 percent and it doesnt work for all locales but i have yet to be wrong about say a biak vs a mainaland when i see a changeling,they both change in totally different ways.biaks tend to change slowly over a period of months and years,and have a yellow fading into green look.mainlands usually change rather quickly compared to biaks.now again,you cant tell with all locales but if you have enough experience you get better and better at predicting the way a given locale will act.now im getting this info from my experience,but mainly from friends and breeders who i have a lot of faith in.you may have raised more chondros that me but i do not trust your advise,as you have been wrong or assumed way to quickly on many issues.maybe when you were raising all these snakes you claim,you had your head somewhere else,or when you claim to have read books,you actually had a comic book inside,who knows.what i do think is that you jump to conclusions and make bold statements in an effort to make yourself sound more educated but in reality you sould silly.i dont think too many smart people would claim to be able to id a baby of a certain locale when only a couple have ever been seen.ok so megs snake looks like one you have seen.thats what you should have said,not that you bet its the locale of the one snake you have seen.its just not smart.i have yet to hear from another person on this forum that agrees with you by the way,maybe you know better and could teach us all.
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