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Hi Don,
1st off I just wanted say thanks for the Banded Male I bought from you...he's great!

Ok...I'm interested in trying to cross a Cornsnake with a Mexican Black Kingsnake, what do you think the chances are of it being successful? Do you have any tips that could help me?

Thanks Justin

why everyone wants to play god is beyond me.
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Taste like chicken

>>why everyone wants to play god is beyond me.
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I am going to play devil's advocate here for a second..
just beacuse I like giving you a hard time, Paul.....LOL
We play God every time we put two of our snakes together in captivity. Wheteher it be two bairdis or maybe two texas rats het leucistic to get a few of those leucies you have or maybe my snow and ghost het amel corns together to get anerys and snows...etc..etc..
you get my point....lol
Or maybe those Great Plains rats and corns together to end up with something like this motley creamsicle

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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I just cant grasp the whole hybrid thing.I will never see a purpose for it.Natural intergrades I can accept.It's just my personal opinion and there like A-holes everyone has one...Paul

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Taste like chicken

>>I just cant grasp the whole hybrid thing.I will never see a purpose for it.Natural intergrades I can accept.It's just my personal opinion and there like A-holes everyone has one...Paul
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I have seen some very nice Jungle corns but that is something I will never get into. I almost did early on but that extent of "mixing" is a little deeper then I plan to dwell.
The extent of my "hybrid" collection will be my creamsicles and other emoryi/guttata mixes. At least I don't have to trick them into breeding.
I still see them as sub species and therefore intergrades but it seems as if they will soon be listed as seperate species.
If not already.
This would mean hybrids but I feel that if they can and do breed in the wild they must be closely related.
Of course emoryi/guttata mixes are devil's spawn to many purists out there so I guess Lucifer fits.....LOL
another "evil" snake....a cinnamon hatchling (hypo guttata/emoryi)

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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>>I still see them as sub species and therefore intergrades but it seems as if they will soon be listed as seperate species.
>>If not already.

They have been listed as separate species since the 1970's. Hobbyists just have ignored it until recently.

...and intergrades, by definition, occur in the WILD. In captivity, hybrid is a more inclusive term. It is a much more accurate word to describe man-made subspecific crosses.
KJ

Why you would want to do that with two beautiful species I'll never understand, but like Paul said above, the Hybrid forum would be the place for that question.

Steve

What do you get when you cross a helicopter with a rhino?
Helliphino...lol....

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Taste like chicken

I hope this doesn't sound stupid but....Is that the Mexican Black King x Cornsnake??? Please let me know

No it's a texas baird ratsnake.You dont have to cross anything.Im getting back into the old strains,old world strains etc.I will always be the biggest fan of naturals.Nothing beats the originals....Paul

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Taste like chicken

I agree...gods creations are far more enjoyable than mans!

I just wanted to see what the cross would look like, then go back to breeding pure MBKs...cause an all black snake is just so beautiful.

Thanks

I think what you want is a Missouri Black ratsnake.... beautifull animals and can be angels when held often!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches" (Didn't name her!)

i like the natural too, but some morphs are really cool and not far from norm (bloodred, amel, anery, stripe) ok anery/amel might be alittle far but some morphs are just as cool as normal

who agrees with me that snakes that are extremely far from normal look sick? is it just because i know they are inbred? or is it because the inbreeding makes them look different? without inbreeding would morphs be possible?
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)

and by sick i mean unhealthy
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)

Actually I read somewhere that anery is a naturally occuring morph that occurs in 10% of a population in an area of Florida.

No I don't see "MORPHS" that look unhealthy.
I occaisionally see snakes that look unhealthy but it has nothing to do with the morph it has to do with that particular snake. Be it husbandry or what, I don't know, but morph isn't it.
Look at all these snakes that are pictured on this forum.
From amels to motleys to hyp stripe lavs to whatever.
I very rarely see unhealthy snakes.....except for the ones that have problems and the posters are looking for help to solve the problem.
Do these "mophs" look unhealthy?
Nah...I don't think so....LOL

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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>>who agrees with me that snakes that are extremely far from normal look sick?

Yeah, I think the coloring on some morphs just doesn't look healthy especially when they are hatchlings. And for the life of me, I don't see why there is so much interest in pied ball pythons. They just don't look right to me.

deg

I think PURE corns of any morph look healthy. Color has nothing to do with a healthy robust appearance.

Saying that inbreeding is a bad thing when it doesnt affect a snakes health, but saying that mating an elephant to a shetland pony is just fine, if you can do it....well that just sounds wrongheaded to me.

Busy season.

I don't have time to read all the responses to your posting, but I suspect you're being dissuaded from crossing the two snakes. Not only is it "dangerous dating", but the babies aren't that popular in the trade. Yes, there are hybrid lovers, but not enough to make your efforts profitable in my opinion.

I would like to dissuade you from this crossing as it's not always successful and can sometimes result in the loss of the corn.

Good luck and if you have specific questions, write to me directly at Cornsnakes@aol.com.

Good luck,

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles